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The media sensationalizes reports on how the workers are being treated horribly but the reality is that nobody is forcing them to take those jobs, they are not physically abused, nor are they deprived of basic human rights. Sure the wages aren't developed country standards but they are not performing skilled work and the standard of living in China is lower than in America or Europe.

Furthermore, many view the solution is to enforce wage regulations but anyone with even a basic grasp of economics knows that will only cause the companies to hire less people and/or raise the cost of the good provided.
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we use foxcon on our customers pc's (unless they pay more for the asus option) and have yet to have one go bad within a reasonable amount of time, but we use amd at the pc store i work at. foxcon makes cheap stuff but its decent cheap stuff.
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Yep. I knew that. And I don't buy any of those.
so op, how are you using your computer?
Was it given to you for free? i'm pretty sure foxconn most likely made the socket or the bracket or one of the transistors.

Asus themselves i know use lots of Foxconn sockets for their motherboards
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so op, how are you using your computer?
Was it given to you for free? i'm pretty sure foxconn most likely made the socket or the bracket or one of the transistors.

Asus themselves i know use lots of Foxconn sockets for their motherboards
From the page before.

All I was saying is I don't use iPhone or anything.

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Haha about the ports. Well Foxconn manufactures like every part of the motherboard. Even Asus will outsource for certain components like slots/ports and stuff...from Foxconn.

Well I see everyone's point. Thanks!
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unfornitately for the op n everyone else we are all supporting by proxy some sort of mishap misdeed or mistreatment when ever u buy something. even groceries i worked for a chemical plant for years ive seen river n sewer dumping n ground so poluted nothing will grow peoples skin ripped off by machines n arms n legs crushed. farmers buy our products n u eat the food they grow so ur supporting all that stuff.
my point is its a factory there never perfect an far from ideal but people work there because they have too. Its like that almost every where sadly but thats how things r
just somethin to chew on but i do admire ur morals but like stated before unfortanutely its either money or morals in buisness
I'm guessing you weren't a chemical engineer for that plant...
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we use foxcon on our customers pc's (unless they pay more for the asus option) and have yet to have one go bad within a reasonable amount of time, but we use amd at the pc store i work at. foxcon makes cheap stuff but its decent cheap stuff.
One personal question. Where do you source your boards? Straight from the manufacturer or through a middle man (Newegg for example)
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I'm guessing you weren't a chemical engineer for that plant...
nope i was a proudction manager unfornatily iv foud sub par has become the standard in factories thank god im outa there now tho
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I can attest to the Foxcon issue, but I have not read the whole thread yet.

Don't believe the hype you read in western media. Foxcon is actually one of the best companies to work for in China. They pay higher than any of the dozens of exactly similar factories in the same area that you heard they had troubles. They are actively sought after for pay, working conditions and benefits. They do all they can to help keep their workers happy and productive.

Just one example: You may have heard that some people committed suicide "for some reason". And it was made to look that Foxcon was both unsafe and depressing. It turned out that most of the problem was that their death benefit was TOO HIGH! They tried may things to stop it with out lowering benefits but they did not work. Once they added an no self inflicted injury clause to the benefits they whole issue stopped.

But they did not stop there. They also started a big move to help the #2 problem their workers have, the fact that they have to live so far from home. They are using Chinese government incentives to move factories inland.

So remember that ethics start at home and knowledge is power.
Kip69 is correct. Don’t get sucked into the media hype. Foxconn builds more electronic devices for more companies then all the other electronic contract manufacturers in the world combined. There is a reason for this, they are the best at what they do, including being socially and environmentally responsible (SER). Apple has the best SER policies in the industry and they rely heavily on Foxconn. They also dictate Foxconn’s practices for their products.

Foxconn has over 1 million employees worldwide. It is unreasonable to expect all employees to be happy and of sound mind. The Foxconn suicide rate is lower than China average. The Foxconn suicide bubble was initially created by Foxconn’s policy to pay the parents of the dead employee a set amount for the rest of their life. This spurred some to take their own life for the benefit of the family. Ultimately, Foxconn rescinded this policy and raised wages above the minimum wage. The China government then increased the minimum wage to match Foxconn’s rate. Foxconn then in turn raised their minimum wage again to be above the China mandated minimum.

I have been engaged in sourcing electronic devices from Asia since 1995 and spent many a month in the far East Asian factories. Foxconn always goes above board for their employees. They have better working conditions then the US did back in their industrial era. China is going through their industrial era and you cannot expect to overlay the current Western manufacturing practices on them. If you did, the products would be built in the West and the price of all our toys would go up significantly.
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By this logic you shouldn't buy most brands of trainers (sneakers), and any clothes made in a 3rd world country or newly industrialised country.

I partly aggree though.
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Ha ha, I just noticed the magnetic screw driver at about 7:52! No wonder all gigabyte boards are doomed to fail!
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