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Once you get your website up for ordering, are you going to have some sort of configurator similar to Mountain Mods to pick all the options/accessories?

Are the doors somewhat airtight when you close them? I couldn't tell from the pictures.

Great looking case btw.

--MikeP
Thank you! With solid/window panels, the case is fairly restrictive in terms of uncontrolled airflow, but you can always add foam edging (available from McMaster-Carr), if you really want to seal the panels.

We've had a lot of requests for a configuration tool, so it's on the "wish list" for the web site. It's pretty time consuming to set up (potentially 100's of images need to be created), so it won't happen right away, but we're definitely looking into it.

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You could take empty shots and full shots then divide each piece into its own small image to overlay.
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You could take empty shots and full shots then divide each piece into its own small image to overlay.
If only my photographic/photoshop skills were better

Honestly though, that might be tough to do, especially keeping the registration consistent from shoot to shoot. The sites I've seen have always used CAD renders, including MM.

Still would like to see it done eventually though...

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So where did you get the idea for the design???

I mean it's quite unique, I have seen a similar idea over at bit-tech for the Phobya case design competition. The whole double sided case, one side for the hardware and the other for cooling gear and power supply.

But it wasn't quite so refined in the design process.
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So where did you get the idea for the design???

I mean it's quite unique, I have seen a similar idea over at bit-tech for the Phobya case design competition. The whole double sided case, one side for the hardware and the other for cooling gear and power supply.

But it wasn't quite so refined in the design process.
Thanks It was a long, iterative process - driving myself and nearly everyone around me a little crazy - well, maybe more than a "little" The design is my own although I'm sure there might be others out there that share some of the concepts.

It all started with idea of putting the PSU behind the MB in the original sketch. I was pretty much focused on functionality and let that guide the design process. Most consumer cases are locked into the same fundamental design (with a myriad of variations) and I really wanted to avoid that. I also had a "wish list" of things I wanted to see in a case that were lacking in previous system builds (hinged doors, MB tray, modular layout). In the end, I'm happy with the way it turn out at least I like working on it
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So what "as in" a time frame did you start the process ?

Was it a matter of months or a year, surely this kind of concept doesn't just fall in your lap?

I am looking to do a similar thing as you did and start designing cases and I had the same concept as you did, but I did copyright my pictures (As you probably know I have to look out for my intellectual property) and I did submit them to the bit tech Phobya competition in November, but as life goes I didn't get past the idea and concept stage.

Then I saw your design pop up in December as a prototype and I was like wow someone had the same vision as me and this is what mine may of looked like but it's real, very nice.....very nice work. I would love to purchase one but the price is a bit rich for my blood(which is understandable considering that you are starting out), but if worst I can get my design milled at my Uncles metal Fab plant.

So what "in your words" would make the best start, in such a venture?
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So what "as in" a time frame did you start the process ?

Was it a matter of months or a year, surely this kind of concept doesn't just fall in your lap?

I am looking to do a similar thing as you did and start designing cases and I had the same concept as you did, but I did copyright my pictures (As you probably know I have to look out for my intellectual property) and I did submit them to the bit tech Phobya competition in November, but as life goes I didn't get past the idea and concept stage.

Then I saw your design pop up in December as a prototype and I was like wow someone had the same vision as me and this is what mine may of looked like but it's real, very nice.....very nice work. I would love to purchase one but the price is a bit rich for my blood(which is understandable considering that you are starting out), but if worst I can get my design milled at my Uncles metal Fab plant.

So what "in your words" would make the best start, in such a venture?
Thanks again. The PSU location/compartment and MB access (it was hinged in the original design) have been on my mind for a number of years. We considered doing it about 10 years ago, but the market didn't really exist back then, or maybe more accurately, we didn't know it existed I came back to the idea last August after building a new workstation and it all just started to fall into place. It was a 12 hour day/7 day a week process though (about 3 months or so) trying to balance design against cost and available hardware from suppliers. Lots of dead ends along the way

If you want to make a case for yourself, it sounds like you're pretty much ready to go - just give your uncle your specs. For most people though, the cost of a custom case (of similar complexity) would easily exceed the cost of our cases.

If you want to do it as a commercial venture, then it gets much more involved. Designing and fabricating the case is actually the easy part (assuming you can keep your costs down for a limited production item). The real work lies in supply chain management, distribution, sales and marketing, order fulfillment/inventory management, and customer service. We're fortunate in that we can integrate those functions with our existing business. Starting out solo would be quite a challenge, but I don't want to discourage you. New, innovative designs are a welcome thing

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I had a couple of PM's from xyeLz with questions that I thought would be relevant to the discussion since I suspect many of you have similar ones. (Posted with permission- Thanks xyeLz! ):

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Hey mate,

I know you're gonna hate to hear this but I have a TON of questions about your cases if you wouldn't mind helping me out?

I was originally going to get a LittleDevil PC-V8 and I am so thankful I came across these because they completely outdo his system in terms of my needs. I'm glad too, the price is now $200+ less and I am glad you're from the US.

Here are my questions, please feel free to get back to me whenever you can.

1) I'm not looking at getting any HDDs. Will 2xCrucial RealSSD solid state drives fit in the case?

2) It's hard to tell how many fan slots and sizes there are. Could you clarify this for me? Is there a specific intake/exhaust system designed for the fans or is it the traditional: Front = Intake, Top+Back = Exhaust?

3) I wanted to completely water cool my CPU and 2xGTX580's with a reservoir and all. Your case certainly looks big enough, but for security's sake, is it possible?

4) Can I select any design I want? Because that is just incredible customer service right there. For example, if I wanted the gray tinted glass on one side, a solid black top, and the vertical or horizontal grille on the other side, you build to order?

5) Do you offer mesh for the 5.25" drive bays?

6) What is the difference between the M8 and the M10?

7) With the horizontal support and small mounting plate, would it still be possible to have 4x5.25" drive bays? I don't want to stray from your "production" line-up but perhaps the HDD rack could be moved down while still keeping the front grille look? Just speculating, sorry!

I would love to take advantage of the 15% discount and order one immediately if possible. I am still working on my build so that may not be 100% possible yet but I can almost guarantee you I will get your case. I am in love with it.

I don't mean to sound like an ass or look picky but I guess I will explain exactly what kind is my favorite. Maybe it will help you . It's definitely what I want!

Exterior: 4x5.25" drive bays (2 of them will be used by me). 2 other ones in mesh (if you can't do this I will, no worries). Underneath that is the 2 grille setup you did with the fans. The gray tint glass on the door side as you already showed and the double vertical grille on the other side, also already shown.

Interior: This is where it gets difficult for me as I just can't tell. I will be sticking quite a large Corsair AX1200 power supply in there somewhere along with all my water cooling gear so it's gotta fit somewhere. I would say the horizontal support but only if it can fit the 4 drive bays.

Sorry for all the stupid questions mate. Really appreciate it though. If you'd rather just talk on Steam or AIM or something that would definitely be a possibility and I could avoid all of this stupid PM crap. Sorry once again but thanks so much.

BEAUTIFUL case!

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Hi xyelz,

Thank you! Questions are a good thing, so fire away - no such thing as a stupid question I've got so many things going on during the day, that this format actually works well for me as I can stop and start as often as needed.

So, in answer to your questions...

(1) We don't have an adapter yet for SSD drives, but that's only because I haven't had a chance to do one. It's on the short list of items of things that need to be created.

(2) There are many locations to mount fans. They are all 120mm externally (except for the 40mm openings on the MB tray - most people will probably use them as a "passive" exhaust without fans, but we provide the option of mounting fans if needed). At last count, there are over two dozen locations to mount fans. No one would use that many; the intent was to allow the user to have a great deal of control in managing airflow, depending on their needs. Most cases have a predetermined air flow pattern - we don't.

(3) Yes, the case was built from the ground up to support that kind of cooling and in a variety of ways, depending on what you want to achieve.

(4) For the most part, yes, you can pick and choose each panel separately (vented, windowed, or solid). The right and left ventilated panels are a little different because they serve different functions. The left is designed for an optional 4 fan assembly which is hinged, so you can swing it out of the way by releasing one screw. The right side is to support PSU's and/or a cross mounted radiator.

(5) You could use the optional fan mounts (as seen in some of the pictures). You add the fans later, if you wish.

(6) The M8 is an 8 slot case and the M10 is a 10 slot (needed if you're going to run 4 video cards). The M10 gives up the overhead radiator position (but it could be mounted elsewhere). For most people, the M8 is probably the better choice. There is also the pedestal (expansion module) that could be installed later, if someone wanted to really "max out" the system or install a phase change unit.

(7) There are 10 5.25 bays (not counting the HDD mounts on the other side), so you should have plenty of room. The horizontal support itself, won't interfere with 5.25 devices. It would just be a question of where you put the mounting plate and how big the item mounted on it is.

(Exterior question): You can mount an HDD cage the the back of the fan mount. It does mount the drives in a 90 degree position (up to four). Does that answer your question?

(Interior Question): No problem with your 1200. You can use the other PSU bay (upper or lower) to cross mount a radiator (hence the perforation pattern on the right side).

Let me know if I missed anything

Thanks again!

Jim
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Edited by Jim-CL - 1/26/11 at 4:22pm
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Ugh I just spent 30 minutes writing another PM and then Overclock said I was logged out and completely deleted the entire thing. Needless to say now I'm a little pissed . I guess here's my short version, sorry mate:

1) Will you be adding compatibility for SSDs? No doubt will get this case if there is one added.

2) Will you be adding a larger window? Not a necessity but would be cool if people walking by might see something they like and get curious to walk over. Not too big, not too small, you know?

3) I will definitely be getting 40mm exhaust fans. How many fans can fit on the vented side panel and vented roof? Looks like 3 for each group of mesh but I wanted to clarify. I realized I want a vented roof because hot air travels up. Stupid me.

4) When you say "right and left" in question 4, I assume this means that the side I wanted windowed (the side where the HDDs are and such) is designed for the 4 fan assembly and the other side where I would most likely want vertical vents is designed for the PSU/radiator?

5) With the window, is there still an option for a 4 fan assembly? Trying to count the fans and it's difficult. Looks like 2 on the front underneath the 4 5.25" drives, 3 on the floor unless that's just an option? and 1 on the back plus the 3 40mm?

6) Damn 10 bays! Gettin' it done! How come I only see 4 then the two larger panels underneath where I will be mounting fans? Sorry, I really am stupid, I didn't lie to you .

7) Kind of asking the same question again, which vent pattern would allow for the cross-mounted radiator on the right side?

Sorry for the questions, I really appreciate your help though!
No problem. In order:

(1) Yes, we will have SSD support. I just have to block out some time between 3:00-4:00 AM to get it done - sleep is overrated anyway Seriously, I don't think a case in this class would be viable without SSD support.

(2) We will be making a larger window for the tower cases since they will all be 10 slot. We will probably make those available on the M8/M10 as well. The acrylic is more expensive, so they'll cost a little more, but not by a huge amount. Can't say exactly what size they will be at this point.

(3) You can mount up to 6 fans on the top of the case (3 on each side), 6 on the bottom (3 on each side) 6 in front, 4 on the left side and 3 on the right side (using a rad mount) and one in back.

(4) I should probably be more specific about "right" (PSU side and "left" (MB) side. HDD's normally mount on the right side (to shield them from the heat from the CPU/GPU compartment) but they can be easily be mounted on the left side as well. The cage assembly will bolt onto the fan mount. The case will hold up to 24 drives (and still leave room for an optical).

(5) The four fan swing assembly (which is still under development) will physically fit and provide additional cooling, but won't draw outside air because of the window. It will block some of the view as well. Another option is to simply put a fan mount or two directly over the GPU's (They will attach directly to the case) Using the ones with a 3/4" offset would work out quite well and not obstruct the window as much.

(6) We have some 3U filler panels shown in the pictures to cut down on cost, but you can imagine 10 single filler plates in there. The really nice thing about this, is that the bays are completely configurable and can be used to mount standard devices, fans, radiators, mounting plates, etc. They can be installed in any position and changed at will, within a few minutes.

(7) The right (PSU) side has the long horizontal hole patterns. They line up with the 2 PSU bays, so you can put your 1200 in either one and cross mount 360 in the other.

You're welcome!

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Here's a quick picture of the business end of an M10:

What kinda fan covers are those?
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