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post #21 of 53
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Excellent. The 50GB Vertex 3 Pro will be mine.
Exactly my thought as I was about to buy a vertex 2 and then saw this. Problem is, I'm still stuck with SATA 3gb/s so thats pretty limiting. I might upgrade for Ivy Bridge but thats a while away

I might try and get a cheap stock clearance Vertex 2 and get a Vertex 3 Pro as a secondary down the line a bit...
post #22 of 53
100gb sata6 one will probably be $299.
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I don't feel so bad about the Vertex 2's I just bought. No funds to upgrade Mobo so SATAII is all I have and since it caps at around 300 MB/s I wouldn't see any point of paying a premium for a new Vertex 3.

Its is however great to see the quick advancement of the already dominant Sandforce controllers.
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Holy mother of god
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When will it be released?
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Want the R3... was looking at the R2 a few weeks ago. wonder how much more in price, you could get a 80Gig PCIe-R2 for about $200 IIRC... the R3 make the R2 price drop?
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100gb sata6 one will probably be $299.
I predict it will launch at 120GB for $250-300. But will settle down to $200-230 assuming NAND prices stay constant.


I keep saying.... the cost of the SSD is mostly in the NAND. Over half the cost of a SSD is in the memory chips. All SSDs cost basically the same to produce. The only real difference in price is the controller.

So a 120GB with a last generation controller costs basically the same as a 120GB of the newest controller.
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I predict it will launch at 120GB for $250-300. But will settle down to $200-230 assuming NAND prices stay constant.

When will it trim though raid? Is the question. These speed are sick.

I wonder can it be possible to boot win7/64, under 12 sec?
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@DrFPS - Sanforce based drives actually do not benefit much if at all from TRIM so raided or not they perform about the same in terms of GC.

As for the topic, this is rather underwhelming. Instead of improving $/GB, lifespan, and reliability, they are boosting speeds and restricting users to SATA 6G platform, neither which is useful or necessary. Do you honestly think that you will see a difference in day-to-day usage going from 285MB/s read with 50,000K IOPS to 550MB/s read with 80,000K IOPS? Read already for me feels instantaneous with a Vertex 2, so how much more "instantaneous" can it get?

I also have no plans to upgrade to SATA 6G any time soon. It's just not useful.
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post #30 of 53
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When will it trim though raid? Is the question. These speed are sick.

I wonder can it be possible to boot win7/64, under 12 sec?
TRIM of a RAID member disk has almost nothing to do with the SSD other than the fact that the SSD supports TRIM. The controller itself must be able to pass the TRIM command. The difficulty is that the controller must know which pages to clean since portions are on seperated disks.

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@DrFPS - Sanforce based drives actually do not benefit much if at all from TRIM so raided or not they perform about the same in terms of GC.

As for the topic, this is rather underwhelming. Instead of improving $/GB, lifespan, and reliability, they are boosting speeds and restricting users to SATA 6G platform, neither which is useful or necessary. Do you honestly think that you will see a difference in day-to-day usage going from 285MB/s read with 50,000K IOPS to 550MB/s read with 80,000K IOPS? Read already for me feels instantaneous with a Vertex 2, so how much more "instantaneous" can it get?

I also have no plans to upgrade to SATA 6G any time soon. It's just not useful.
TRIM is better GC. TRIM works on-the-fly and produces lower write amplification. Unfortunately, TRIM works on file deletes and not modifications.

I already stated above... the controller has little to do with cost/GB. The bulk of a SSD's cost is in the NAND. Lifespan and reliability are also mainly functions of the NAND as well. There are techniques to improve lifespan like compression and not using garbage collection. Other methods will reduce usable space and that would drive up cost per GB.

How is SATA 6Gb/s restricting? It is backwards compatiable with SATA 1.5Gb/s and 3Gb/s. Just because you do not have a SATA 6Gb/s now, it does not mean it isn't useful for others or in the near future.
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