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Don't forget there are two new Marvel controllers, Intel G3, and Indilinx Jetstream to look foward to as well!
Haha good to know, but to me they have a lot of catching up to do in terms of brand recognition. For your average enthusiast (whatever that means, more like average OCN member) SandForce drives are what everyone wants to buy and SandForce SATA drives are what everyone believes to be the fastest in most categories in the sub $400 level. That may or may not be true for very long, but Marvel and Indilinx have something to prove in the minds of many consumers. Marvel and Indilinx either need to exceed performance of these SF-2000 SandForce controllers or offer a better $/Byte ratio if they want to compete with SandForce.
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Hm, OCZ should manufacture a specialty RAID controller card for TRIM to be supported in RAID.
OCZ does not have the knowledge to write storage drivers.

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Haha good to know, but to me they have a lot of catching up to do in terms of brand recognition. For your average enthusiast (whatever that means, more like average OCN member) SandForce drives are what everyone wants to buy and SandForce SATA drives are what everyone believes to be the fastest in most categories in the sub $400 level. That may or may not be true for very long, but Marvel and Indilinx have something to prove in the minds of many consumers. Marvel and Indilinx either need to exceed performance of these SF-2000 SandForce controllers or offer a better $/Byte ratio if they want to compete with SandForce.
Marvel controllers are sold in Crucial C300 SSDs and have proven themselves to be pretty much overall tied with SandForce.

Indilinx is currently last generation....

Again, $/Byte ratio has little to do with the controller as most of the SSD cost is in the NAND.
Edited by DuckieHo - 1/6/11 at 2:23pm
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@DrFPS - Sanforce based drives actually do not benefit much if at all from TRIM so raided or not they perform about the same in terms of GC.

As for the topic, this is rather underwhelming. Instead of improving $/GB, lifespan, and reliability, they are boosting speeds and restricting users to SATA 6G platform, neither which is useful or necessary. Do you honestly think that you will see a difference in day-to-day usage going from 285MB/s read with 50,000K IOPS to 550MB/s read with 80,000K IOPS? Read already for me feels instantaneous with a Vertex 2, so how much more "instantaneous" can it get?

I also have no plans to upgrade to SATA 6G any time soon. It's just not useful.
Software isn't frozen in time. New programs will be released that utilize more resources, and the rest will add bloat like always. Your SSD is only instantaneous now.

And many professional settings will benefit from faster drives. Remember, high performance tech advances for them, while enthusiasts simply enjoy the effects of the research.
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Software isn't frozen in time. New programs will be released that utilize more resources, and the rest will add bloat like always. Your SSD is only instantaneous now.

And many professional settings will benefit from faster drives. Remember, high performance tech advances for them, while enthusiasts simply enjoy the effects of the research.

Until SSDs can perform as fast as RAM... they're not fast enough for some.


(Before you say it, I'm not counting RAMDisk in SSDs.)
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Until SSDs can perform as fast as RAM... they're not fast enough for some.


(Before you say it, I'm not counting RAMDisk in SSDs.)
Well How fast is RAM?
In SSD terms?

I would like to know
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I'll wait a year or two (or three if something unexpected comes up) before upgrading.

SSD's should be quite juicy by then
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Until SSDs can perform as fast as RAM... they're not fast enough for some.
A hard drive as fast as RAM? Sign me up! Then we make RAM faster and continue the cycle until our eyes bleed.
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Until SSDs can perform as fast as RAM... they're not fast enough for some.
L1 cache speeds or bust.
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Random Read/Write IOPS are getting so high now with SSDs (Sandforce in particular), combined with the inherent extremely low latency - further increases in IOPS/MBs don't really matter all that much in consumer level workloads.
Something new to write on the outside of the packaging, that's pretty much it.
If it gets fast enough, the latency maybe so low that we could eliminate randam access memory from the memory hierarchy.

L2 -> L3 -> RAM -> SSD?
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Well How fast is RAM?
In SSD terms?

I would like to know
Based on a semi-accurate calculation I did after reading up about it, it would appear that DDR3 on a 64-bit channel running at 1066MHz would transfer at around 15.8GB/s. The basic calculation I used is 7.45*(DDR3 frequency * 2).

or if you want to alter everything...

(1000000000 * channel width (in bytes)) * (DDR3 frequency in MHz * 2) = number of bytes per second.
Edited by Desidero - 1/6/11 at 8:58pm
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