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Originally Posted by Lord Xeb View Post
How can you brick linux? I just leave it as is.
Very easily.

Uninstall some software you don't need, install some drivers, reboot. Blank.

Or, remove gnome-desktop, install kde, bricked. Etc.
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If you already know Linux then you know if you should or not.
    
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Originally Posted by Xenthos View Post
Make sure not to brick it though, I often did when tweaking performance
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Very easily.
Uninstall some software you don't need, install some drivers, reboot. Blank.
Or, remove gnome-desktop, install kde, bricked. Etc.
Xenrthros, it is not my intent to hurt your feelings since I don't know for certain if you commonly just do things without knowing what you're doing or if you're just trolling flamebait like many of the pissant windoze fanboys who feel compelled to come in here and spread FUD without a clue. However at best your comments are untrue at the most fundamental level and the only value they have is dispelling the falsehood of it all, like this..

Giving up and declaring the system dead because of a blank screen is like having your car towed to the junk yard because you forgot to put gas in it or bent your keys.

First off with this level of ignorance of the workings of Linux, how would you presume to know what software you don't need? Why would you uninstall your Desktop before making certain your new one works? What driver can you uninstall in any distro that results in a totally blank screen? With the possible exception of a driver, how is any of this "by guess and by golly" slash and burn in anyway related to "tweaking performance?

Working backwards, while Windoze still suffers from bloat where cruft builds up over time slowing the system down, this does not, can not occur in Linux because of the fundamentally different way in which Linux operates. Windows is centralized and entirely co-dependent. The Registry is just one minor example of how the entire system is dependent on a single "feature". There is only one item in Linux even remotely comparable comparable, namely the kernel, which Windoze has also with the huge difference being that even a generic Linux kernel available anywhere will restore the system. Everything else in Linux is independent of each other. It is not a house of cards like Windoze is.

Even if one is so ignorant and reckless to uninstall one DE before another is working Linux is based on command line and comes with a built-in recovery mode, or in a matter of seconds can be booted from a floppy, Live CD or USB thumbdrive or parallel install even if that boot device is an entirely different distro. Even from command line you can undo whatever misguided uninstall got you in that mess in the first place.

That's enough generalities. Now on to the specifics of what is most likely true in your somewhat less culpable "blank screen" claim.

OK so you booted to Desktop and were perplexed by the lack of flexibility and speed of a generic or less than optimum video driver. You attempted to install a proprietary driver (very likely just jumping in without reading first how that is to be accomplished despite your lack of familiarity). Surely you are not actually saying that after POST you only got a blank screen?

Surely the boot process began even if only to tell you there was a problem that needed fixing with the bootloader? More likely you saw the splash screen as the system began to boot (since the graphics at that level is generic and independent of the accelerated driver you attempted to install and configure) and when the system would normally jump up in runlevel to start X and greet you with the login screen, instead, THEN it went blank.

In many distros when this occurs merely striking the Enter key or Ctrl-Alt-KP+ will change resolution to one that works or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart X which will often after a few tries drop you back to command line where you can fix the driver issue easily.

If your distro doesn't have that then likely it has a boot menu which includes maintenance or recovery mode that will get you back up and running with X. It is extremely difficult to destroy the CLI system so basic booting is almost always possible right from the install itself. Failing that, the install device (CD, DVD, thumbdrive, hard drive partition) will effect a boot.

From there you can read any of the many logs that will tell you what failed and needs to be fixed. At worst you can install a backup xorg.conf file to replace the one that calls the accelerated driver, or simply delete the current one and let the system build a new one, or even rerun the driver install or configure options.

A blank screen almost never means a borked system. It is extremely rare to be able to destroy the base system and require a re-install. Never is a re-install required every so often just to bring things back up to speed.

If you were/are serious and have seen posts in here or other forums you should know that many people are available for help. Instead you opted to complain when it was your own fault, and what's worse, try to scare someone who is serious away from even trying.

Dude, go big or go home.
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post #14 of 47
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Xenrthros, it is not my intent to hurt your feelings since I don't know for certain if you commonly just do things without knowing what you're doing or if you're just trolling flamebait like many of the pissant windoze fanboys who feel compelled to come in here and spread FUD without a clue. However at best your comments are untrue at the most fundamental level and the only value they have is dispelling the falsehood of it all, like this..

Giving up and declaring the system dead because of a blank screen is like having your car towed to the junk yard because you forgot to put gas in it or bent your keys.

First off with this level of ignorance of the workings of Linux, how would you presume to know what software you don't need? Why would you uninstall your Desktop before making certain your new one works? What driver can you uninstall in any distro that results in a totally blank screen? With the possible exception of a driver, how is any of this "by guess and by golly" slash and burn in anyway related to "tweaking performance?

Working backwards, while Windoze still suffers from bloat where cruft builds up over time slowing the system down, this does not, can not occur in Linux because of the fundamentally different way in which Linux operates. Windows is centralized and entirely co-dependent. The Registry is just one minor example of how the entire system is dependent on a single "feature". There is only one item in Linux even remotely comparable comparable, namely the kernel, which Windoze has also with the huge difference being that even a generic Linux kernel available anywhere will restore the system. Everything else in Linux is independent of each other. It is not a house of cards like Windoze is.

Even if one is so ignorant and reckless to uninstall one DE before another is working Linux is based on command line and comes with a built-in recovery mode, or in a matter of seconds can be booted from a floppy, Live CD or USB thumbdrive or parallel install even if that boot device is an entirely different distro. Even from command line you can undo whatever misguided uninstall got you in that mess in the first place.

That's enough generalities. Now on to the specifics of what is most likely true in your somewhat less culpable "blank screen" claim.

OK so you booted to Desktop and were perplexed by the lack of flexibility and speed of a generic or less than optimum video driver. You attempted to install a proprietary driver (very likely just jumping in without reading first how that is to be accomplished despite your lack of familiarity). Surely you are not actually saying that after POST you only got a blank screen?

Surely the boot process began even if only to tell you there was a problem that needed fixing with the bootloader? More likely you saw the splash screen as the system began to boot (since the graphics at that level is generic and independent of the accelerated driver you attempted to install and configure) and when the system would normally jump up in runlevel to start X and greet you with the login screen, instead, THEN it went blank.

In many distros when this occurs merely striking the Enter key or Ctrl-Alt-KP+ will change resolution to one that works or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart X which will often after a few tries drop you back to command line where you can fix the driver issue easily.

If your distro doesn't have that then likely it has a boot menu which includes maintenance or recovery mode that will get you back up and running with X. It is extremely difficult to destroy the CLI system so basic booting is almost always possible right from the install itself. Failing that, the install device (CD, DVD, thumbdrive, hard drive partition) will effect a boot.

From there you can read any of the many logs that will tell you what failed and needs to be fixed. At worst you can install a backup xorg.conf file to replace the one that calls the accelerated driver, or simply delete the current one and let the system build a new one, or even rerun the driver install or configure options.

A blank screen almost never means a borked system. It is extremely rare to be able to destroy the base system and require a re-install. Never is a re-install required every so often just to bring things back up to speed.

If you were/are serious and have seen posts in here or other forums you should know that many people are available for help. Instead you opted to complain when it was your own fault, and what's worse, try to scare someone who is serious away from even trying.

Dude, go big or go home.
I'm a girl.
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Originally Posted by Xenthos View Post
I'm a girl.
and....?

PS I see that you're pretty hawt too but gather that with you're chosen vocation you apparently believe in the value of helping people. Why not step it up a notch and "get right"?
Edited by enorbet2 - 1/6/11 at 5:15am
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this



right cuz you can't plaly crysis or Battlefield Bad Company 2 in Linux NOT
you can play them in Linux
BFBC2 works on Linux?!? I'm assuming this is using Wine or some Windows emulator/VM?
    
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and....?

PS I see that you're pretty hawt too but gather that with you're chosen vocation you apparently believe in the value of helping people. Why not step it up a notch and "get right"?
Get right ?
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Enorbert is 100% correct. Gender aside, you do not understand what the term BRICK means.

Brick means the device has been rendered useless and nothing can run on the device (it's only a brick/paper-weight now). The only devices you can actually brick that I can think of off the top of my head are devices that have security/DRM in place to prevent you from hacking at it or else it self-destructs.

This just isn't the case with any computer especially one that you built on your own (like most users on this site do).
post #19 of 47
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Get right ?
I was referring to what seems to be in your basic nature to help people so "get right" means being true to your "best self".

Example: If you had a distant relative who had some bad (but easily treatable) disease but refused treatment and whose death followed on the heels of a bout with the flu (no real connection) I seriously doubt if a patient came to you with a flu you would quip "Oh, a relative of mine had the flu and shortly afterward, died".

In that same vein I am actually trying to be helpful to you. It would do you no good if all I did was commiserate or pretend your system was actually bricked or that you were totally justified in spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, not only for the sake of OP but the whole forum, including you. Such behaviour can be understood since we all get frustrated sometimes, but it is hardly noble or even useful to reinforce unsubstantiated negativity. Doesn't nobility mean appealing to the higher self?

Perhaps the initial dash of cold water in your face will prompt you to shake yourself off, climb back on, and try again, properly, with help and guidance.... assuming you were as you are now beginning to sound, somewhat serious.
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wow...angry Linux people
    
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