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[FDN] Microsoft puts 'Windows 8' on Arm at CES

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Microsoft demonstrated the next version of Windows running on Arm processors in the opening keynote of CES – a big move for the company as it attempts to adapt Windows for tablet PCs, and reduce the operating system’s reliance on x86 chips from the likes of Intel and AMD.
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sweet
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Awesomesauce. I think ARM has a big future if Microsoft is doing this.

Sidenote from the article: Avatar Kinect looks like a silly waste of R&D, but somehow I see myself killing time on it.
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First time since the K8 days, Intel is scaried.

AMD has Fusion.
Larabee failed.
Microsoft is supporting ARM.
Intel cannot break into the low-power and mobile market.
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Intel cannot break into the low-power and mobile market.
Atom has been pretty successful, despite how fail it is.
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Just what I want. BSOD on my phone.
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Just what I want. BSOD on my phone.
lol shut up.

seriously though, this seems like it might be better than expected. lets hope its an upgrade from 7 and not just a waste of time
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Atom has been pretty successful, despite how fail it is.
How is it fail? It has good per watt performance. Its only disparaging compared to Zacate which isn't even on the market yet. Atom has been around for 2+ years now.

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First time since the K8 days, Intel is scaried.

AMD has Fusion.
Larabee failed.
Microsoft is supporting ARM.
Intel cannot break into the low-power and mobile market.
The question is, do they need to? They still have desktop, notebook, and server so I don't think they're scared just yet. Heightened yes, scared no.

Besides, we should wait and see what Atom 2.0 has to offer before we write Intel off.

Nvidia on the other hand... They lac a central processor, chipset(in the desktop space), and an APU.
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Atom has been pretty successful, despite how fail it is.
For now....

AMD Fusion is going to kill it on x86 for netbooks.

One of the original purpose of Atom was for products that were even lower-power than netbooks.... smartphones and tablets. It isn't making any in-roads there.



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How is it fail? It has good per watt performance. Its only disparaging compared to Zacate which isn't even on the market yet. Atom has been around for 2+ years now.



The question is, do they need to? They still have desktop, notebook, and server so I don't think they're scared just yet. Heightened yes, scared no.

Besides, we should wait and see what Atom 2.0 has to offer before we write Intel off.

Nvidia on the other hand... They lac a central processor, chipset(in the desktop space), and an APU.
While the Atom has a good performance per watt ratio... the performance itself is lacking. The Atom platforms severly lack in GPU performance. Try running a 720p video on one or watch Hulu. I would think these are relatively simple expectations from a portable device.

* Desktop space is stagent. Performance is "good enough" for most people.
* Notebook space is also good enough now.... the focus is now on power. While Intel has hold on this, smartphones and tablets will erode their position.
* ARM-based servers are now being sold. One minor demand in the server world is not servers with big powerful processors... but one with lots of weaker processors.

Intel has know about the converence of CPUs and GPUs for years. They can't get a manycore processor built for the masses. AMD has Fusion.... and it could pay off big in a few years.

NVIDIA is definitely scaried.... that's why they are moving so agressively with ARM.
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First time since the K8 days, Intel is scaried.

AMD has Fusion.
Larabee failed.
Microsoft is supporting ARM.
Intel cannot break into the low-power and mobile market.
I think that this says that Microsoft is the one most scared. Microsoft continues to hold a monopoly in laptops and desktops because it is what people know and the expect to be able to install any program they want on them. When a typical computer user is switched to Mac or, even worse, Linux, they expect a Windows user experience (the Windows way) and also expect to be able to use Windows programs.

Smartphones are growing in popularity. Because everyone carries a phone, the market potential is greater than for a computer OS (most families have one computer for everyone but everyone has a different cell phone). People don't expect the Windows user experience nor do they expect to use Windows applications. Most everyone knows that these OS's each have their own app stores and run different programs.

Enter the tablet. It is similar in many ways to a laptop, but because most people have no experience with this form factor, they don't have any expectations at all. With many analysts predicting that these portable devices will take over the job of typical computers in the next ten years, Microsoft is scared that they will cease to be relevant and another company will become the standard (one more reason to hope that the company agnostic Meego platform wins). If Microsoft is to set themselves up as the de-facto experience and lock down the tablet market, they must do so quickly. One of the easiest ways to do so is to port a touch-friendly Windows OS and do what Apple did some years ago: make two versions of each program. If this can be achieved, the only hurdle for Microsoft is for non-Microsoft developers to also compile multiple versions of their programs.
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