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I don't think its fair to compare the 650D to the Arc Midi. Two different price ranges. If you want to compare FD to corsair, compare the Arc Midi to the 600T. Both are great cases imo, and the 600T might actually be the better case. Im not sure how many fans the 600t could house though, althought I'm sure the twin 200mm fans do a great job.

Corsair/George getting a bit of hostility! Geez...
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Truthfully, I've chosen not to buy many Corsair products simply because it seems like they charge a large premium just so I can have the name of their products slapped somewhere on my hardware.

That being said, Corsair does make some top notch products (which many other manufactures also do), but for the price point, that Arch Midi looks much more appealing than the 650d.

Fractal is quickly proving itself with these newer cases they are releasing. I'm particularly impressed. As much as I love my Blackhawk, I will gladly admit that I would have chosen the Arc Midi if it was out and had an optional windowed side panel.
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A true aluminum front panel
This doesn't matter to me.
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more room for cable routing
Doesn't matter when we can do things like this without any cable management features or room behind the tray.
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the ability to fit longer video cards without sacrificing hard drive space
ARC Midi can do this...move HDD down and to the left.
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200mm fans
That perform worse than 2 140's with more noise.
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a hot swap dock
This also doesn't matter to me.
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an integrated fan controller
Does it really matter when the other company's going w/ 140mm fans spinning under 1K RPM?
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8 PCI-E slots
Again, doesn't matter to me.
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four 5.25" bays
I personaly rarely use the DVD drive in the one bay currently. What will I do w/ 4?
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a bigger CPU backplate cutout hole
Huh? How does this matter?
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easy access side panels
Very, very, very nice. +$10, maybe $20!
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tool free optical drive bays
Not an issue since this doesn't get touched often. I haven't been there on my Stacker in 4 yrs maybe?
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and the 650D is significantly larger.
That's actually a big negative IMO. I'm a huge LAN fan and getting a bit tired of hauling around the ginormous Stacker. The ARC MIDI looks to be cake to move around.

The one thing you didn't mention that's easily worth another $25 would be the window. Love my windows! So here's some suggestions on the 500V(alue)...

-give us a foldable handle!!
-minimize those latches...too big IMO and an eye sore
-lose the extra features that seem to be of no use for most of us
-window that goes around the entire side panel w/ maybe 2~3 inches of border...I want to SEE in there (make sure the fans are all spinnin'!!)

PS. HUGE fan of my new F90! It's ridiculous!!
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650D = ATX Full tower size
800D = E-ATX Full tower size
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This doesn't matter to me.
Fair enough, but it does add cost. And it does matter to some people.

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Doesn't matter when we can do things like this without any cable management features or room behind the tray.
Okay, that's impressive, but most people don't have that patience or skill level. The whole reason for our cable routing space is to make it easy so that somebody like me can do it without hours of work.
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ARC Midi can do this...move HDD down and to the left.
You can put dual 6990s in a 650D without moving the hard drive cages or sacrificing space.
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That perform worse than 2 140's with more noise.
This depends heavily on which 140s you're talking about, but in our tests this is factually incorrect.
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This also doesn't matter to me.
Again, that's fair, but it does matter to some people, and it adds cost.

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Does it really matter when the other company's going w/ 140mm fans spinning under 1K RPM?
It does, because it adds a feature that gives the end user more options. And though it adds a bit of cost, we think it's a worthwhile feature for a premium chassis.

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Again, doesn't matter to me.
But it's important for someone interested in running 3-way SLI or Crossfire X.

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I personaly rarely use the DVD drive in the one bay currently. What will I do w/ 4?
You're not the only customer, a lot of people use 5.25" fan controllers, card readers, bay reservoirs, etc.

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Huh? How does this matter?
Compatibility with more motherboards. The sockets are not standardized, so by making the backplate cutout larger we can guarantee compatibility with more motherboards.

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Very, very, very nice. +$10, maybe $20!
Thanks!

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Not an issue since this doesn't get touched often. I haven't been there on my Stacker in 4 yrs maybe?
Adds a bit of cost, has become standard for premium chassis (over $100) and makes it a lot easier and faster to build your system.

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That's actually a big negative IMO. I'm a huge LAN fan and getting a bit tired of hauling around the ginormous Stacker. The ARC MIDI looks to be cake to move around.
Which is fine, and totally reasonable, but the question was the cost justification - and it costs more to ship bigger items.

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The one thing you didn't mention that's easily worth another $25 would be the window. Love my windows! So here's some suggestions on the 500V(alue)...

-give us a foldable handle!!
-minimize those latches...too big IMO and an eye sore
-lose the extra features that seem to be of no use for most of us
-window that goes around the entire side panel w/ maybe 2~3 inches of border...I want to SEE in there (make sure the fans are all spinnin'!!)

PS. HUGE fan of my new F90! It's ridiculous!!
Thanks for your feedback - obviously the 650D isn't the case for you. You've already gone down the list of features to say "don't care about this" to most of the reasons the 650D is more expensive. Which is fine and perfectly reasonable. We're not competing with the Arc Midi.

I wouldn't classify the Arc Midi as a 650D competitor really because they're so different in feature set. The Arc Midi does what it does exceptionally well, as far as the photos show. I haven't seen it in person yet. But it's not trying to do what the 650D does.

In my opinion it's like comparing a very nice family sedan with a luxury sedan. They both have nice features, look great, and will meet the standard requirements. But the luxury sedan has extra features and costs more, and most people don't care about those features enough to spend the money. That's fine. We knew that going into it. If we wanted to compete with Fractal Design we'd have made a very different case.
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Hey George

missed my question on page 10 Guess it's easy to miss though.
Unless I'm mistaken, there doesn't seem to be an option to mount a fan
on the bottom of the case. It would be nice to have something there since there is no side fan.
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Hey George

missed my question on page 10 Guess it's easy to miss though.
Unless I'm mistaken, there doesn't seem to be an option to mount a fan
on the bottom of the case. It would be nice to have something there since there is no side fan.
You're correct. We use that area for the reconfigurable hard drive cage mount. If you relocate the drive cage to this area, the front 200MM fan blows directly over the graphics cards, and you get fresh, cool air to them without any interference.
post #108 of 156
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You're not the only customer...In my opinion it's like comparing a very nice family sedan with a luxury sedan...If we wanted to compete with Fractal Design we'd have made a very different case.
But I'm one of few willing to offer such specific feedback. Looking through this entire post, it seems I'm not really in the minority either.

I'm going to disagree w/ your analogy though. Who would pick a Camry over a Benz if the budget was there? For me, the 650D can be purchased, but it adds very little for the $ IMO compared to the MIDI.

You better compete w/ Fractal. I'll be receiving an R3 in white here shortly and will be putting it through the paces against my Stacker 810 w/ regard to noise, cooling ability, ease of install/part swap, curl rep, etc.

After that, I plan on purchasing the MIDI. And you can be sure that if it meets my ridiculously high standards, I'll be preaching from my soap box.
post #109 of 156
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But I'm one of few willing to offer such specific feedback. Looking through this entire post, it seems I'm not really in the minority either.

I'm going to disagree w/ your analogy though. Who would pick a Camry over a Benz if the budget was there? For me, the 650D can be purchased, but it adds very little for the $ IMO compared to the MIDI.

You better compete w/ Fractal. I'll be receiving an R3 in white here shortly and will be putting it through the paces against my Stacker 810 w/ regard to noise, cooling ability, ease of install/part swap, curl rep, etc.
I do thank you for the feedback, but I hope you understand that just because it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it sucks. There are a lot of products out there that aren't my taste. Hell, even the 600T isn't really my personal taste, and I'm responsible for it. I just wanted to make sure that we had something that could compete against the cases in a certain price range.

When I designed the 650D I was designing what I think is the best $200 case out there. I realize it's arguable, but I think it's definitely up there.

And I didn't say we won't compete with Fractal, just that the 650D wasn't designed to compete with them. If we decide to compete with Fractal Designs in the future, we'll make sure our products are competitive from a feature/price perspective, and that would include making them smaller, less expensive, and with less features.
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For those interested, 650D is $160 at microcenter. Good luck finding one in stock though.
Is this advertised instore? I checked out online and there was no discount. Is instock at my local store and selected pickup.

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