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We'll do that where we can. 140mm fans are a lot bigger than 120mm fans, especially when you're talking about duals. If we have room for a 200mm fan, we should be able to stretch it for dual 120s, but stretching that to dual 140s is a bit tougher.

But yeah, on top, and side panels, and everywhere else, you have a lot more room. Mid-tower cases with dual 140s in the front aren't exceptionally common.
The top of the 650D has Dual 140/120, you can always cut and paste
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We'll do that where we can. 140mm fans are a lot bigger than 120mm fans, especially when you're talking about duals. If we have room for a 200mm fan, we should be able to stretch it for dual 120s, but stretching that to dual 140s is a bit tougher.

But yeah, on top, and side panels, and everywhere else, you have a lot more room. Mid-tower cases with dual 140s in the front aren't exceptionally common.
When will we see the 650D that can fit 2x 120s at the front?

I read before how you overlooked this and said you're going to include it next. I won't be buying the case until this is rectified and want to know how long I have to wait. If its too long I'll probably end up buying something else.

Also, I was expecting reviews and videos a plenty by now but I guess the fan switch problems, shipping delayed the samples? Last I looked there was only one review in Chinese and a couple user threads and only 1 page of videos on youtube mostly consisting of CES type events. Case has been in stock for a while now and hardly anyone seems to own one.
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When will we see the 650D that can fit 2x 120s at the front?

I read before how you overlooked this and said you're going to include it next. I won't be buying the case until this is rectified and want to know how long I have to wait. If its too long I'll probably end up buying something else.

Also, I was expecting reviews and videos a plenty by now but I guess the fan switch problems, shipping delayed the samples? Last I looked there was only one review in Chinese and a couple user threads and only 1 page of videos on youtube mostly consisting of CES type events. Case has been in stock for a while now and hardly anyone seems to own one.
It's not going to be in the 650D anytime soon, since retooling that section would be tremendously expensive and take a long time. But future cases where this is a viable option will feature it.

As for the reviews, yeah, the review samples were delayed while we fixed the fan controller issue.
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The 650D is getting bashed way too hard. It seems like it has a good balance of features. The rigid steel body makes it strong which is great. The front panel is real brushed aluminum which is great.

I was admiring the arc midi case until i read the front face was fake plastic aluminum. It's amazing that people were actually bashing the corsair for using real aluminum on the face and praising the midi for using plastic and not being "wasteful" lol. I'd expect it to be the other way around, it's like opposite day or something.

The big cpu hole in the back is awesome. I've seen so many complaints about different cases with holes not lining up with the cpu cooler on the back of the motherboard and when corsair makes a case with a big enough opening to work with everything people complain about that too. And yes, I registered just to post that.

I'm thinking about replacing my lian li with a 650D because it makes annoying rattling noises, feels flimsy, and has horrible wire management. I was drooling over the arc midi until i looked at some pics more closely. It looks like the side fan mounts too high and may bump against large cpu coolers like every other case I've seen with side fans. It also looks like the bottom mount fan is unusable by people with long power supplies like myself. The fake aluminum front panel is the final straw.

It does look very nice for $100 but it's not quite there. As far as the 650D goes, it's not perfect either but it's closer. I don't mind having a big front intake fan as long as I can get replacements down the line when it wears out or if I need a different speed. Standard sizes are preferred because of availability. Dual 140mm's would be fantastic. Also, like many other cases, it looks like it has negative pressure which makes for lots of dust in every crevice. Every case should have positive pressure coming from the front\\bottom\\side (not necessarily all) and force air briskly through the back, top, and vented pci covers (to push out the heat from video cards with special coolers that don't exhaust).

The only other thing is the top of the 650D is ugly because of the fan grill. It looks like It's missing a cover and we're seeing the exposed workings. It would be much preferred to have lots of tiny holes drilled through in a square pattern the size of the fan underneath or at least a vented cover that snaps in on top for appearances. That's all I can think of at the moment. I think it's great there are reps here. Please make me my perfect case Thanks for reading this if you did.
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The 650D is getting bashed way too hard. It seems like it has a good balance of features. The rigid steel body makes it strong which is great. The front panel is real brushed aluminum which is great. I was admiring the arc midi case until i read the front face was fake plastic aluminum. It's amazing that people were actually bashing the corsair for using real aluminum on the face and praising the midi for using plastic and not being "wasteful" lol. I'd expect it to be the other way around, it's like opposite day or something. The big cpu hole in the back is awesome. I've seen so many complaints about different cases with holes not lining up with the cpu cooler on the back of the motherboard and when corsair makes a case with a big enough opening to work with everything people complain about that too. And yes, I registered just to post that. I'm thinking about replacing my lian li with a 650D because it makes annoying rattling noises, feels flimsy, and has horrible wire management. I was drooling over the arc midi until i looked at some pics more closely. It looks like the side fan mounts too high and may bump against large cpu coolers like every other case I've seen with side fans. It also looks like the bottom mount fan is unusable by people with long power supplies like myself. The fake aluminum front panel is the final straw. It does look very nice for $100 but it's not quite there. As far as the 650D goes, it's not perfect either but it's closer. I don't mind having a big front intake fan as long as I can get replacements down the line when it wears out or if I need a different speed. Standard sizes are preferred because of availability. Dual 140mm's would be fantastic. Also, like many other cases, it looks like it has negative pressure which makes for lots of dust in every crevice. Every case should have positive pressure coming from the front\\bottom\\side (not necessarily all) and force air briskly through the back, top, and vented pci covers (to push out the heat from video cards with special coolers that don't exhaust). The only other thing is the top of the 650D is ugly because of the fan grill. It looks like It's missing a cover and we're seeing the exposed workings. It would be much preferred to have lots of tiny holes drilled through in a square pattern the size of the fan underneath or at least a vented cover that snaps in on top for appearances. That's all I can think of at the moment. I think it's great there are reps here. Please make me my perfect case Thanks for reading this if you did.
Woah! paragraph it, no one wants to read a wall of text. -_-

oh and if you think that a front faceplate made out of aluminum is impressive, Lian Li offers the entire case out of aluminum, for the same price! oh and what model lian li do you have? and why do you make such a big deal out of cable management? i think those big ugly grometed holes of the 650D are excessive and are everywhere, lian li does it right with two on the side, two on the top and two on the bottom. if you are creative and not lazy, hiding wires is easy with a couple cable ties......

put the case @ 150 (slightly ot: people please don't use the microcenter argument) and it will be sold out worldwide.
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Woah! paragraph it, no one wants to read a wall of text. -_-

oh and if you think that a front faceplate made out of aluminum is impressive, Lian Li offers the entire case out of aluminum, for the same price! oh and what model lian li do you have? and why do you make such a big deal out of cable management? i think those big ugly grometed holes of the 650D are excessive and are everywhere, lian li does it right with two on the side, two on the top and two on the bottom. if you are creative and not lazy, hiding wires is easy with a couple cable ties......

put the case @ 150 (slightly ot: people please don't use the microcenter argument) and it will be sold out worldwide.
Oops haha I was really tired when I wrote that. Went back and edited in to paragraphs. I agree with you about the rubber grommets but I like the size and number of openings. As long as they don't sacrifice structural integrity the more the merrier but I'd rather they just had a rubber coating on the edge without all the flaps.

I have a lian li pc-p50. The location of the wire routing holes isn't really a problem but the one for the 8 pin cpu power is actually blocked by the roof of the case and you have to take the thing off (huge pain in the @$$) to rout it through because the plug won't squeeze through.

There's also a horizontal support beam that runs the length of the case that takes up a bunch of room and gets in the way, causing the motherboard 24pin cable to push against the side. And it rattles. SO ANNOYING. I put a couple layers of electric tape in key spots to prevent vibration but it only partly worked. Also, negative pressure and they put the lian li logo on off center a little. It screams "NOBODY TESTED ME OUT BEFORE I WENT ON SALE!". I do love how the aluminum looks though.

In summary, aluminum should be just for looks. Either that or make it so thick that it's as sturdy as steel and doesn't rattle. Thanks for listening.
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The Arc Midi looks awesome. Hopefully it does well on cooling tests. It's kind of small though. Thank god though that the the HDD bay is removable. It should have no problem fitting a large GPU then. All cases should have removable HDD bays.


EDIT, ouch, I'm worried about whether this case would fit a Hyper 212+. What about a Hyper 212+ with the side panel fan in use?
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Honestly I'm still considering the arc midi myself but i need to know the side fan will fit with a big cpu cooler installed. Useless side fan mounts are almost a deal breaker. Might even give lian li another try after seeing this though...

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Oops haha I was really tired when I wrote that. Went back and edited in to paragraphs. I agree with you about the rubber grommets but I like the size and number of openings. As long as they don't sacrifice structural integrity the more the merrier but I'd rather they just had a rubber coating on the edge without all the flaps.

I have a lian li pc-p50. The location of the wire routing holes isn't really a problem but the one for the 8 pin cpu power is actually blocked by the roof of the case and you have to take the thing off (huge pain in the @$$) to rout it through because the plug won't squeeze through.

There's also a horizontal support beam that runs the length of the case that takes up a bunch of room and gets in the way, causing the motherboard 24pin cable to push against the side. And it rattles. SO ANNOYING. I put a couple layers of electric tape in key spots to prevent vibration but it only partly worked. Also, negative pressure and they put the lian li logo on off center a little. It screams "NOBODY TESTED ME OUT BEFORE I WENT ON SALE!". I do love how the aluminum looks though.

In summary, aluminum should be just for looks. Either that or make it so thick that it's as sturdy as steel and doesn't rattle. Thanks for listening.
I'm a modder, aluminum is easier to cut. Not to mention how crap my floorboards are, my last steel case literally left marks where the feet stood, weight is very important to me and I sometimes take my computer to LANS.
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I'm a modder, aluminum is easier to cut. Not to mention how crap my floorboards are, my last steel case literally left marks where the feet stood, weight is very important to me and I sometimes take my computer to LANS.
Ah I see. I just leave my case where it is so no worries about weight as long as I can carry it a few feet to a table or whatever. Your situation is understandable. Somebody should make a case out of one of those unbreakable high end suitcases.
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