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post #91 of 156
Woah Nellie.

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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post
A true aluminum front panel
Which you yourself have downplayed the importance of due to its cost and similar results achieved with steel.

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more room for cable routing
With no proven need for it. We don't know the exact amount of room, and remember, this is a mid tower. I've not heard any significant complaints about the R3 in this department.

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the ability to fit longer video cards without sacrificing hard drive space
Let's examine the demographic here. We've got people who are willing to spend $200 on an oversized mid ATX but are vehemently opposed to $250 for a full ATX? The cost rise from 650D to 800D is only 25%. The cost rise from Arc Midi (presumably) to 650D is 50%. Huge jump with no proven demographic that insists on hard drive space, will pay $200 for a case but refuses a similarly styled full ATX tower.

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200mm fans
Which were sucky on the 600T. Corsair has to prove themselves here still.

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a hot swap dock
How many do you figure this is a must feature for?

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an integrated fan controller
I think this is one of the best points you have, but it's still just a fan controller. But you left off the LED controls!

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8 PCI-E slots, four 5.25" bays
Again, $200 mid atx versus full ATX cases.

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a bigger CPU backplate cutout hole
So the arc midi's isn't big enough?

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easy access side panels
Some people hate the look of the latches. It's an aesthetics for usability trade, not a clear design advantage.

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tool free optical drive bays
Fair point, but how often do people swap 5.25" drives versus 3.5/2.5" drives?

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and the 650D is significantly larger.

Just off the top of my head.
You assume people inherently want larger. Why not get 800D at that point?
post #92 of 156
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Woah Nellie.
Indeed. You asked for differences, I gave them to you. If those differences aren't important - by all means, buy another chassis. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I know not everyone likes our cases, and that's totally cool.

But Jodiah wanted to know where the additional costs were, and all those things I listed cost money, which is why the cost of our case is higher.
Edited by CorsairGeorge - 3/11/11 at 1:04am
post #93 of 156
After The last few casses I have had Im ready to go smaller...
The Midi is Nice, cept it looks tight in the VGA CARD ARENA!
maybe a little modding with the HD cages will fix that.
OVERALL THE MIDI HAS CLASS.
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Indeed. You asked for differences, I gave them to you. If those differences aren't important - by all means, buy another chassis. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I know not everyone likes our cases, and that's totally cool.

But Jodiah wanted to know where the additional costs were, and all those things I listed cost money, which is why the cost of our case is higher.
I think what's frustrating is that many people like the aesthetics of corsair cases and the fantastic attention to usability (cable routing, modular HDD cages, quick release side panels) but are frustrated by these cases having a lot of features they neither need nor want (particularly in a mid tower) along with the fact that you just can't depend on the stock cooling to perform as good as cheaper competitors like the HAF series, CM 690 II, Antec 902 etc.

What I'd like to see from Corsair is a mid tower a lot like the 600T with good stock cooling (and use a standard fan width too for aftermarket fans), and a fan LED toggle for under $150. I sincerely hope those new 200mm fans make it into all versions of the 600T sooner rather than later. I hate the idea of buying the 600T knowing I'm going to have to spend another $50 to update the fans. I may as well get the 650D at that point, but I really don't want to lay down $200 if I can help it.
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Originally Posted by anexanhume View Post
I think what's frustrating is that many people like the aesthetics of corsair cases and the fantastic attention to usability (cable routing, modular HDD cages, quick release side panels) but are frustrated by these cases having a lot of features they neither need nor want (particularly in a mid tower) along with the fact that you just can't depend on the stock cooling to perform as good as cheaper competitors like the HAF series, CM 690 II, Antec 902 etc.
First, I think you make a valid point about the features, but the 650D and 600T are designed to be high-end chassis to fill in a certain price point. The way we design cases is to identify a market (say, mid-tower cases between $150 and $200) and then to evaluate the competition, see what's selling well, look at the criticisms of it, and try and fix those criticisms in our products while not making other mistakes.

Also, the 600T was designed to be more of a balance between noise levels and cooling, which is why it didn't sweep the floor with our competition in the cooling tests. However, there are some changes made on the white 600T (and the 650D) that enhance the cooling capabilities. Namely, upgrading the fans from 700RPM to 1000RPM made a huge difference in airflow, and with the mesh side panel on the 600T capable of housing four more 120mm fans, there's a lot more cooling potential now.

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What I'd like to see from Corsair is a mid tower a lot like the 600T with good stock cooling (and use a standard fan width too for aftermarket fans), and a fan LED toggle for under $150. I sincerely hope those new 200mm fans make it into all versions of the 600T sooner rather than later. I hate the idea of buying the 600T knowing I'm going to have to spend another $50 to update the fans. I may as well get the 650D at that point, but I really don't want to lay down $200 if I can help it.
200x20mm is a standard fan width - almost all the Xigmatek 200mm fans use this width. 200mm isn't really a "standard" size yet for cases so there's some debate as to thickness and hole mount location, etc. But overall, we're doing our best to increase compatibility as we go forward.

As far as your requests, we'll do what we can. Keep your eyes peeled, we haven't stopped developing cases. We're in it for the long haul and we plan to mirror the success we had with PSUs over the last 5 years. We've only been selling cases for about 18 months, so we've got a long way to go to fill in the holes in our product line, but I'm sure with your guys' feedback we'll do what we can to make most of you guys happy.
post #96 of 156
First you say this, and I very much agree with you.

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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post
Aluminum doesn't do much except three things:

1) Look cool
2) Reduce weight
3) Add cost

It's not more structurally sound than steel. It's not quieter than steel. It doesn't make your case cool better than steel.
But then you claim it as a feature like it matters that you slapped a plate of aluminum on the front panel.

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But Jodiah wanted to know where the additional costs were, and all those things I listed cost money, which is why the cost of our case is higher.
Or corsair simply wants to maximize profits. The features you listed don't really add up to the price you're asking IMO (and many others apparently). The 650D is just a slightly remodeled 600T for $60 more which just seems like a lazy ripoff.
post #97 of 156
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After The last few casses I have had Im ready to go smaller...
The Midi is Nice, cept it looks tight in the VGA CARD ARENA!
maybe a little modding with the HD cages will fix that.
OVERALL THE MIDI HAS CLASS.
you can remove the HD cage without any modding



Just have to remove 2 screws that hold the top HD cage in place.

Both cases are both very nice looking I prefer the midi due to the fact of more cooling options since I almost never use stock fans on any case I use for my sig rig. My only complaint about 200mm fans when used as a front intake is that I would like the option of mounting 2x120mm or 140mm fans. Its the one thing I dont like about my HAF 922 no other option up front but using a 200mm fan and that its ugly as hell. CorsairGeorge the front intake fan option is the only downside for me personally otherwise A+.
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post #98 of 156
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First you say this, and I very much agree with you.



But then you claim it as a feature like it matters that you slapped a plate of aluminum on the front panel.
We slapped it on the front panel for appearance reasons, and it works very well for this.
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Or corsair simply wants to maximize profits. The features you listed don't really add up to the price you're asking IMO (and many others apparently). The 650D is just a slightly remodeled 600T for $60 more which just seems like a lazy ripoff.
First, it's not $60 more. The MSRPs are $159 and $199, respectively. And the street price of the 600T constantly dips down under $130. Which means you'll be seeing the 650D down around $160-$170 street price once it's been out for a while.

Sorry you don't think those features add cost - and if it's not worth it to you, then maybe you're right and we won't sell any of them.

We'll know in a few weeks.
post #99 of 156
Every ones keeps saying you cant get 2 120mm fans up front on the 600T. I have the 600T, and have 2x120mm fans up front replacing the 200mm fan. And another 120mm in the bottom 3x5.25 bays with my HDD/SSD. I have a link in my sig to the 600T club, which has pictures of my setup.

I also have a 240 rad up top with 2 Viper 120mms and a 120 rad on the back with another 120mm fan. So all my WC is internal.

Having said that, I love this case. Only has a couple minor problems, which you can always pick out on cases, but is still a solid case.

Dont worry CorsairGeorge, there are still some in here that have some love for you. Although I do have to admit, that it is was a close call between my 600T and a FD case. I am happy so far.

EDIT: And a 140mm fan does line up with the holes on the front "mesh". I had an antec tricool 140mm fan mounted to it before I replaced it with the 2x120mm fans. The 120mm fans required some modding, new mounting holes and to open up front airflow space. But the 140mm fan screwed right into place without modding.

I would hope the 650D would be the same.
Edited by goodtobeking - 3/11/11 at 8:09pm
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Hey this 650d almost looks perfect, except that there doesn't seem to be a spot on the bottom of the case to mount a fan. Am I wrong? Since there is no side fan, it would be nice to have something feeding the gpu. Future considerations perhaps?
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