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Am I the only one in the world worried about tegra 2?

Dual core 1 ghz processor in a phone does have room to go wrong.. be it over heating or any of a bunch of possible problems..

I don't want to dog the phone or praise it before it comes out..

But, the at CES they had a demo.. it looks amazing in the moto atrix.

But, that demo was hardly a 2 hour 3d gaming test drive..

Even if it doesn't overheat to the point of shutting off..

I feel like there is a lot of room for it to kill the battery and possibly shorten its own life span a bit.

But, a lot of people on the toher forums I visit can't be convinced otherwise there is danger there.

I mean.. I would grab the Atrix today if it was available.. I am ok with gambling..

But, if your gunna gamble you should at least know the risk..

SO.. do you think I'm overly concerned about tegra 2? or do you think there is valid reason to think things could go wrong?

I've heard enough phone fanboys opinions.. Lets see what overclockers say..
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post #2 of 21
I think you might a little over concerned. The dual cores that are coming out right now are going to be 1 and 1.2 ghz I don't believe there will be over heating issues. But hey that's what reviews are for too!
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Well.. I may be over concerned..

But, I would rather be overly critical and wrong.. than to be surprised a day after my warranty is up.

Also FWIW my main problem I think is that other people seem to not accept the fact that they are gambling.

Am I overly critical? possibly... but, The question would be.. "is there enough reason to be worried?" and I think that is a pretty valid question.

Even though its only 1 ghz dual core.

I don't see any vents or anything that could allow for cooling..

I mean.. they are impressive of some interesting things.. but, I think anyone who looks up history on these kind of things can see some pretty valid reasons for concerns..

New tech always has possible unforseen cons.. But, it just seems to me like this could be a bigger gamble than usualy.
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Isnt the nm of the chip smaller than the current 1ghz? Meaning less heat?

Could be wrong. I'm trying to get info on this as well.
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Quote:
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Well.. I may be over concerned..

But, I would rather be overly critical and wrong.. than to be surprised a day after my warranty is up.

Also FWIW my main problem I think is that other people seem to not accept the fact that they are gambling.

Am I overly critical? possibly... but, The question would be.. "is there enough reason to be worried?" and I think that is a pretty valid question.

Even though its only 1 ghz dual core.

I don't see any vents or anything that could allow for cooling..

I mean.. they are impressive of some interesting things.. but, I think anyone who looks up history on these kind of things can see some pretty valid reasons for concerns..

New tech always has possible unforseen cons.. But, it just seems to me like this could be a bigger gamble than usualy.
ARM is well-established.... It's not gamble. Business decisions to move into new markets are not made on whims or chance (usually).

Vents? What smartphone do you know has vents for cooling? ARM processors are low-power... they use heatsinks and the PCB to disperse heat.
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My point on vents was more in regard to laptops and other dual core devices.

And while you are right.. business decisions are taken very seriously.. that doesn't men there haven't been some huge debacles.
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post #7 of 21
I doubt that will be too much of a problem. I'd honestly be more concerned about battery. Some reports claim dual core means two cores that can run at lower clocks and save battery, some say that won't be enough to save battery. We really don't know. Considering the Atrix has a 1950mAh battery, my guess is they found it to be a power suck, and gave it a massive battery. Then again, most of the other dual core phones have 1500mAh so maybe not.
    
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OP is just a wee bit paranoid.

Tegra 2 will be fine.
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Quote:
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ARM is well-established.... It's not gamble. Business decisions to move into new markets are not made on whims or chance (usually).

Vents? What smartphone do you know has vents for cooling? ARM processors are low-power... they use heatsinks and the PCB to disperse heat.
I know a lot of people who still remember the G80 mobile nvidia chips, though.

But I don't think it's a gamble. Give me the first HTC phone to have Tegra2 on it because I can't bloody wait. Tegra was supposed to be the same as ION, which is a Geforce 9400, which was pretty capable in HD stuff.

EDIT:

Yeah, it'll be the battery that bothers me. That's something I'd rather them get right right now. Charging your phone mid-day won't do.
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Dual core is more efficient, because there are less interrupts and switching. (eg, when an application requests cpu cycles it can just use the second core instead of interrupting the first one)

Two cores, both running at 30% load vs a single core running at 80%. I would bet on the dual core consuming less power, especially if it can downclock.

Tegra 2 is a SoC, and it has more than just a cpu and gpu. It also has a bunch of chips dedicated to multimedia processing, so if you're watching videos or listening to music its not even using the processor.
    
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