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While a lot of people are excited about Bulldozer, I'm actually looking forward to the release of another product - Llano. From articles, it'll be a fusion of K10 Stars CPU & Redwood GPU (HD 5550 - HD 5670). To me, that certainly sounds like a more balanced platform compared to Sandy Bridge.

I know Zacate is being released soon. However, the included CPU is still a bit underpowered for my tastes. I'd personally want something that's at least Athlon II X2 2.5 GHz level and that's exactly the performance level Llano seems to occupy (Regor - Propus).

Alas, same as Bulldozer, information on Llano appears to be scarce. I'm wondering, has there been anymore info that has cropped up on Llano? Performance numbers, feature sets, estimated release dates, anything?

Thank you very much!
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I was searching for such info last week, found nothing detailed. APUs appear more interesting than Bulldozer to me too. Maybe the mainstream platforms are to change for good?
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Some new info:
AMD Quad Core Fusion L1ano faster than Core i3 540
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Donanimhaber.com published first performance figures of AMDs Fusion L1ano processors. They said that all performance figures came from official AMD documents.

According to news,

- Dual Core L1ano with Winterpark integrated graphic is slower than not only Athlon II X2 250 but also Pentium E6500 in general performance. But It is dramatically (4.7x) faster than Intel platform in general conclusion which includes visual performance and compute capacity.
- Quad Core L1ano with Beavercreek integrated graphic is slower than Athlon II X4 640 but faster than Core i3-540. And also Quad Core L1ano provides graphics performance between Radeon HD 5500-5600 level with integrated graphic.
- AMD will launch Fusion L1ano as A Series Vision Premium Processors.
- AMD also working on special graphics technology for Lynx platform
Forget Sandy Bridge. This is the product that will make discrete entry-level GPU's extraneous.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-L...e-179740.shtml
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AMD's upcoming Llano processor family, the company's second Fusion chip, will feature a technology similar to Hybrid CrossFire, that enables the processor's on-die graphics to be used together with a discrete GPU in order to improve the systems performance.
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Its integrated graphics is a bit speedier than a Radeon HD 5550 discrete graphics card.

However, when the on-die Beavercreek GPU is paired together with a standalone Turks GPU, the system achieves an important increase in graphics performance, AMD even go as far as stating that such a solution has 60% more computing capacity than the Intel system.
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This new GPU is expected to ship at the same time with the Llano APUs.

The exact shipping date is not known at this time, but recent reports claim that everything is on track for Llano to arrive in the second quarter of this year.
This should grab some desktop enthusiasts attention, combining an APU with a GPU in a crossfire like combination. However, I'm still most interested in Trinity in 2012. Pairing second generation bulldozer cores in a fusion process with AMD 7000 series gpu, also the possibility of sticking it with DDR4 ram in 2012. Right now it looks like the choker on the Zacate in graphics performance is that it uses single channel ram over limiting gpu resources. The llano should have dual channel and be better, but I've heard people make mention of AMD eventually adapting quad channel? Probably just a rumor but a gpu sharing resources with cpu cores on the same die would be starved by the RAM so they eventually have to take it past dual channel.
post #5 of 13
I wonder why slower than 45nm Athlon II... isn't this 32nm?
Perhaps it's done for marketing?
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Even though it's 32 nm the GPU on the llano die is reported as being very large. I'm not sure what percentage of the die the GPU takes up but it is reported as considerably larger than the gpu on board the sandy bridge die. I'm actually very impressed by the performance, in the graphs provided (given they're accurate) the llano with onboard graphics performs better than an i3 540 when paired with a radeon 5550 discrete graphics card and almost as well as an Athlon II 640 with the radeon 5550. I've been using an Athlon II 635 paired with a radeon 4650 for the past year and been fairly content. Though the comparison seems to be between Desktop platforms, I'm actually interested in the Llano in a laptop and am curious what kind of performance it'll give.
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Originally Posted by kenjitamura View Post
Even though it's 32 nm the GPU on the llano die is reported as being very large. I'm not sure what percentage of the die the GPU takes up but it is reported as considerably larger than the gpu on board the sandy bridge die. I'm actually very impressed by the performance, in the graphs provided (given they're accurate) the llano with onboard graphics performs better than an i3 540 when paired with a radeon 5550 discrete graphics card and almost as well as an Athlon II 640 with the radeon 5550. I've been using an Athlon II 635 paired with a radeon 4650 for the past year and been fairly content. Though the comparison seems to be between Desktop platforms, I'm actually interested in the Llano in a laptop and am curious what kind of performance it'll give.
I'm interested in Llano as an upgrade to my current media server box. Should be quite energy efficient and silent as well.
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Just a little more information on llano that hasn't been posted on this thread yet.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-L...e-179494.shtml

Quote:
Sometime in the upcoming months, AMD plans to introduce its second generation of Fusion chips, code named Llano, recent reports suggesting that the APUs are on track for being released in the second quarter of the year, if everything goes as planned.
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GlobalFoundries has managed to overcome the biggest hurdles that it faced with its HKMG 32nm SOI manufacturing process, paving the way for mass producing AMD's upcoming chip.
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Its HKMG 32nm SOI fabrication process is supposed to be one of the most advanced in the industry, as it resolvers the leakage problems derived from shrinking the chip manufacturing nodes.

The technology can even lead to a tenfold decrease in leakage, delivering improved thermal characteristics and energy efficiency.
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In addition to the on-die Radeon GPU, the APU packs a dual-channel DDR3-1600 memory controller and 1MB L2 cache per core as well as a PCI Express 2.0 controller.
Also, I was curious about the term leakage so
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage...iconductors%29
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The primary source of leakage occurs inside transistors, but electrons can also leak between interconnects. Leakage increases power consumption and if sufficiently large can cause complete circuit failure.
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1. Dual channel DDR3-1600 controller (Finally another reason to get people to stop buying all that overpriced generic crap)
2. 1MB L2 cache per core (up from 512kb) is awesome (that's about equal to what a single integer Bulldozer core gets from a module)
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Hi guys,
I'm looking forward to the Llano chips aswell.
The ones code named the "Sabine" platform seemed very appealing. It's the lower 25-35W TDP version, mostly aimed at notebooks and laptops, but a decent mITX version would sound like a good replacement for my overclocked Atom 330 htpc / casual gaming setup.
The E-350 didn't quite live up to my expectations. A 2 Ghz clock is my minimum, and the Atom 330 allowed me to push it just over to 2,1 Ghz.
I love SFF, and I really hope Sabine (I know: AMD dropped that name a while ago, but let me just say the name brings back good memories) will come with an ITX solution. mATX woud do, aswell, though I'll have to re-mod my crude AcceleroS1R2 + HD5570 hack.

Ah well, I hope more news will come out soon. It's a bit of a wait still till Q3, so I could use some good teasers!

Cheers!

PS - AMD announced Hybrid Crossfire support for Llano and the 6000 series, but what about the 5000 series? From what I read is that the SIMMD parts in the Llano are basicly tweaked 55xx / Redwood cores; younger brothers of the HD5570 I now run (Passively cooled ).
Ah, only time will tell... (Though 'good' marketing thinking tells me it's not likely)
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