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My friend claims his laptop is better than mine, and that I wasted money. Is this true?

His Specs:

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Sager NP7280 Custom Laptop (Built on the Clevo X7200)
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080)-
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i7-950 (3.06-3.33GHz) 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8 GT/sec QPI, LGA 1366
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- nVidia GeForce GTX 485M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 (User Upgradeable)
- ~ 6,144MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (3 SODIMMS)
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache) - Default
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)~
- Raid 0 Stripe Enabled (Requires 2 or 3 Hard Drives. Combines Hard Drives for performance)
- Internal 3-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Primary Smart Li-ION Battery Pack - Included
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Operating System Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs

Total: $2,709.01
Mine:
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ASUS G73JW-ROG Limted Edition ASUS Gaming Laptop
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080)-
- ASUS Zero Bright Dot (ZBD) 30 Day Pixel Guarantee
- - Intel® Core™ i7-740QM, 1.73-2.93GHz, (45nm, 6MB L3 cache) - Standard
- IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU-
- nVidia GeForce GTX 460M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
- 16,384MB (16GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (4x4GB)-
- Default Blue LED Light Bar (Below LCD)
- Cobalt Blue Backlit Keyboard Modifiation
- Plasma Purple WASD Keys
- 4X Blu-Ray Writer/Reader + 8X DVDRW/CDRW Super Multi Combo Drive-
- - 128GB Crucial C300 Solid State Drive (Up to Sequential Read 265MB/s - Write 140MB/s SSD Serial-ATA III)
- - 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
- Internal 8-in-1 Card Reader: MMC/SD/Mini-SD/XD/Memory Stick/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Intel® Ultimate-N 6300 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module (Includes 3rd Antenna)
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Asus G Series Matching Backpack made by Targus
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- Asus G Series Gaming Mouse
- No Thanks, Please do not Overclock my system
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Pre-Installed + Drivers & Utilities Disk
- 2 Year ASUS GLOBAL Warranty 24/7 Support / 1 Year North America (N.A.) Accidental Coverage (Accidental Requires Registration)

Total: $2,661
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post #2 of 9
I'm sorry to say it, but his is quite better. I went into this thinking that I was going to find that yours is way better (because that's usually the way these things go on here), but not this time.
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post #3 of 9
His is definitely a better system. Whether or not you wasted money is of your own opinions.
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post #4 of 9
His is definitely better because that thing is really not a laptop. He put a desktop i7 in there so battery life now is beyond being a moot point; its basically a emergency back up in case the power goes out. Essentially you can claim to have the better laptop but he has the better system between you two. I just can't imagine trying to take his anywhere. Ultimately, you have to ask yourself whether you're happy with what you got or not. To me going beyond the 1.5k price range gets very little gains. But I'm broke and don't live under a money tree.
     
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post #5 of 9
There are a few things to take into account here.

1. His CPU is a desktop CPU which will offer much better performance.
2. His GPU is basically a 460m w/ more cores and higher mem bandwith.
3. You have more ram.
4. Your ram is faster.
5. You have blue-Ray.
6. He has more storage capacity but you have an SSD.
7. He has absolute minimal battery life

At the end of the day, he will get better frames on any game. But his unit has significantly less battery life is about 1.5 times the size and about 2 x the weight. What it comes down to is what you bought it for and how you will be using it. Personally I would much rather have yours minus the SSD (of which I have the sager variation). Because I already have a desktop at home, and I needed something that was relatively portable but would play all of my games at med ~ high settings.

If you were going for a desktop replacement unit his is definitely a better unit.

Do not frett though, pretty much half of what you paid for w/ that machine is upgrades for things like the SSD and extra ram (which you will likely be able to put into your next unit). And you payed for a keyboard back light change. On top of it all you upgraded your wireless card.
Edited by Unacceptable - 1/7/11 at 8:25am
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post #6 of 9
He murders your system - simple
not really.... but he sure does have advantages over you
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post #7 of 9
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Thanks for everyones opinions. I believe at the end of the day my system wins because of its portability (I mean, isn't that what a laptop is for?) and extra features such as blacklit keyboards, better wireless, more RAM and FASTER RAM, and so on. I also believe my laptop has a better cooling design because he components are meant to run in bigger system since they generate much more heat.

@Unacceptable

two Sata II 7200RPM drives in raid 0 are faster than a Sata III SSD?
I have a 2TB USB 3.0 backup drive so... please defend your reasoning. It interests me ^^
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Thanks for everyones opinions. I believe at the end of the day my system wins because of its portability (I mean, isn't that what a laptop is for?)
But his is a laptop too (you said it's a custom laptop). So if this is true, then I still say that his laptop is a superior system.

I would like to make a list to show you which parts are superior, but I can't do that because all that truly matters is how good of a system it is for you. I mean yeah, maybe for him it's not enough. But it sounds like you're 100% satisfied with yours, and if so, then that's all that matters.

However, if there's still the possibility of returning yours and building the same machine that he has, then you should do that. I mean, he only paid $48 more than you, but yet his system is significantly superior. For what he has, he should have paid hundreds more than you did.

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and extra features such as blacklit keyboards, better wireless, more RAM and FASTER RAM, and so on. I also believe my laptop has a better cooling design because he components are meant to run in bigger system since they generate much more heat.

@Unacceptable

two Sata II 7200RPM drives in raid 0 are faster than a Sata III SSD?
I have a 2TB USB 3.0 backup drive so... please defend your reasoning. It interests me ^^
In some ways, two 7200 RPM drives are faster. But at the end of the day, I still think a good solid state drive wins (like the C300) because of the extremely fast Access/Seek Times. Sure, the difference in a benchmark may only be like 7 or 8 milliseconds, but each time a single file is accessed for any reason, there isn't just one single access. So, that 7 or 8-millisecond access time adds up very quickly which is why hard drives feel slow and sluggish compared to solid state drives.

I guess it's kinda like the difference between human technology and alien technology.
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KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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post #9 of 9
thats why i recommended sager for high end laptops and dude he has bout twice the power you have but he has half your battery life
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