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Alright, next problem lol. I can't lock the screen. Either through User Switch Applet or the hotkeys ctrl-alt-L.

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I don't need extensions to get the button. If I hide the Menu Bar then the dropdown button appears automatically in its place, but next to the tabs to save space. Assuming you don't have the bookmarks toolbar or a massive title bar (get a new window decorator theme) you've got essentially the same space as Chromium. You may also need to remove the Addon bar down the bottom, but that's just a matter of clicking the close button on it.
    
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I'll be, I didn't know they had that feature yet. =P Now I don't have to bother with anything but omnibar for the searches. =)
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post #54 of 128
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
You need extensions for that though.




Also, Chromium source 2.9GB. I'm still trying to figure out why.
I think it's because they use their own libraries it's surprising how little is open.
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Greetz
I don't understand this apparent need to install and/or uninstall Firefox from any repository. All I do is download the tarball directly from Mozilla and unpack it. It can go anywhere but the easy way for me is to create a folder like this
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mkdir /usr/lib/firefox-4.0beta8 
something like
cp $HOME/downloads/firefox/* /usr/lib/firefox-4.0beta8/ 
and 
ln -s /usr/lib/firefox-4.0beta8 /usr/lib/firefox (not required but clean)
and, assuming you respect clean,
ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
Plus, by using symlinks it is trivial to run more than one version because one can link like this
Code:
 
ln -s /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox /usr/bin/firefox3
That way there are two linked executables with different names and only the one you want for default is in "/usr/lib/firefox" and called "firefox". You could reverse it and call the beta exebutable "/usr/bin/firefox4" so it isn't called by default but only when you wish to try it.

There is no need to alter anything in $HOME as it will adjust by simply saying "You habe just upgraded to version Foo" and revert back when you run the other one because the executable "firefox" that Mozilla provides is a script that properly runs "firefox-bin".

This utterly simple method, no "installing" required, has worked flawlessly in Slackware for years through numerous updates and IIRC it worked fine in Arch too.
Hope this helps.
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Title bars (any browser, any application) are not an issue with a proper window manager. For example, simply add the following to ~./jwmrc to remove the Opera title bar in JWM:

Code:
<Group>
<Class>Opera</Class>
<Option>noborder</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
</Group>
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathris View Post
...Opera is geared exclusively towards benchmarks, specifically Peacekeeper. I actually find it slower than Firefox, and both are just cheap Windows ports anyway.
I used to build Firefox-PGO in the mozillaZine Forums, here are some I posted for Ubuntu users back in 2009 (links are dead): Downloads: Portable Minefield (Firefox) 3.0.10 PGO (w/o Java) Builds. Suffice to say that I have a bit of experience with FF. And with Opera (since 2.x on Windows). Not so much with Chromium, though I am currently running a custom compile (not from ABS). That said, Opera is the definite speed king and not just across benchmarks. And it is highly customizable. FF is the most forgiving and compatible, yet the slowest, even with PGO and chrome heavily hacked. Chromium is right there in between.

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Opera and Firefox are bloated compared to their Windows counterparts
In binary size and dep requirements, perhaps. Yet Opera consistently scores higher in every instance of every benchmark I run vs. the same version of Opera under Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. This is repeatable. Unless you are short on disk space and memory, I would not worry too much as performance > size. But as a previous post alluded to, Opera does have it quirks. Fortunately, most quirks have their workarounds, including the redraw issue mentioned before. Moreover, it provides rich usability once it is learned. It is a lot like Linux in that you have to hack away at config files to get the most out of it.

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...seeing as I only have 900 pixels of vertical space, the fact that Chrome's UI takes up half the space Opera...
Again, Opera is highly customizable. You can basically have it take up as little, or as much space as you desire. I hacked the default theme to show menu/address/navigation toolbars as text-only with minimal padding. Or you can run fullscreen with a visible address bar. Or with a visible address bar + navigation toolbar. Anything, really. Like many of you, I run a highly optimized Arch box with lightweight apps compiled with aggressive flags. surf, Midori, I have literally tried them all. But when it comes down to native features + usability + performance, Opera is hard to beat. To me, that is .
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Exactly why I moved to Opera and Chromium. I can top both of those scores today as my OC is far more more refined than it was when I benched. Custom kernel with BFS takes Opera to around the 16500 mark...



Browser: opera 11.00-1111
Processor: AMD X4 970 OC to 4.21 GHz
Memory: STT Project X WX200UB2G7 @ 1976 MHz 7-7-7-21-28 1T
Graphics: EVGA GTX 580 SC @ 900/4200
Additional: opera run from tmpfs
CPU-NB Speed: 2967 MHz @ 1.45v



Browser: chromium 8.0.552.224 (Custom)
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Graphics: EVGA GTX 580 SC @ 980/4480 MHz
Additional: chromium profile run from tmpfs
CPU-NB Speed: 3211 MHz @ 1.425v

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None of the reason why Chrome or Opera is faster though, Pale Moon is as fast as Chrome in Windows for me and it doesn't run much faster than Firefox on that test.

I usually run Chrome or Pale Moon, I wish Pale Moon was available on Linux though...I *think* I could compile it myself but I really can't be bothered.
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None of the reason why Chrome or Opera is faster though, Pale Moon is as fast as Chrome in Windows for me and it doesn't run much faster than Firefox on that test.

I usually run Chrome or Pale Moon, I wish Pale Moon was available on Linux though...I *think* I could compile it myself but I really can't be bothered.
SwiftFox is essentially PaleMoon for Linux. No compiling needed. However, v4beta8 Firefox is faster and has a smaller footprint for me.
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I've never found Swiftfox or Palemoon to be any significant improvement over the official build. I don't really know what to look for, but if I have to look for it then it can't be too noticeable
    
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I don't really like the new beta, thats why I use Pale Moon.

I noticed a significant performance improvement in general usage.
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