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Use pacman -Ssi if you want to query the package database.
Just adding to this: For the AUR you can use yaourt, clyde, etc to search it.
    
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Yeah, you guys thought you were done with me. NOT SO FAST!

I'm having trouble with notify-osd. It's installed and it's running but it just isn't notifying me.

notify-send works properly. None of the programs that should be notifying do though.

Okay, I got exaile to work by installing python-notify. I also got pidgin to notify me.

Now I just need to get it to notify me when I mount a drive.
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One last question. When I finally run yaourt -Syu, how will I know if I have to reboot? I know kernel updates are a must but what about other packages. Will it tell me or do I need to pay attention?
    
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In lnux there are a only a few things that require restarts. Those would mainly be service updates or Kernel updates. Any library or program change will happen immediately the next time the program/library is called or ran. Drivers/Modules don't require a restart, they can just be reloaded.

Note: Services don't always require a restart, as a lot can be restarted while the kernel is still running. The ones that can be don't require a restart, the rest do.
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I understand all this but I don't know how Arch handles it yet.

For example, say I ran -Syu and it gives me a new kernel. Will it say "You need to reboot your system" or do the Arch designers expect you to know that?

If I update a module, will it automatically restart the module or do the Arch designers expect me to do that on my own?

Remember, I'm coming from Ubuntu where if you get a new kernel, you get a dialog box notifying you that you need to restart.
    
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Modules will probably restart once unloaded, so after a reboot or unless you manually do it. As for everything else, your expected to know when to reboot. Debian doesn't even tell you when you need to reboot, it expects you to know that a new kernel can't be ran until you reboot the system. Now that's not entirely true, as you can reload a running kernel, but they have to be similar kernel versions.

Short answer, you need to know when. I generally don't worry about it until A) Features start going funky or B) I want to run/test a new kernel. Other than that I know my system will reboot eventually. =P Usually you don't have to reboot, most stuff will be reloaded by closing out X restarting it.
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Well that stinks. I guess I'll need to pay attention to updates.
    
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Well that stinks. I guess I'll need to pay attention to updates.
Not really, if you update in console you'll get output that generally will give you big clues. Like when you get output that tells you (summed up) that a service won't restart until next reboot, you know you need to reboot. It's all real easy, and obvious. Like a kernel update, if you get one you'll know it won't be ran until next reboot. Though IMO your best off compiling your own kernel in something like Arch, where you have all the tools. It's even better with Quad Cores, where it takes literally 5 minutes to build. Once you have a base .config made, or use your running one, it's a real quick and easy process these days. Doing that allows you to ignore all kernel updates, cause you won't be running those kernels anyways. =P You also get more up to date, I actually really like the 2.6.37 kernel atm.

[edit] Another obvious is something like Xorg, if Xorg updates you need to restart it. It's more "no brainer" situations, most won't be real secret "you need to restart but I won't tell you" type of things.
Edited by mushroomboy - 1/15/11 at 2:05pm
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I'm pretty sure it says something when there's a kernel update...It did once at least when I was still playing with Arch in VMs.
    
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Though IMO your best off compiling your own kernel in something like Arch, where you have all the tools...I actually really like the 2.6.37 kernel atm.
Agreed. Running very smooth, a hexacore at j-7 with a 4.45 GHz OC can finish my current kernel compiled within a ramdisk in just over three minutes.
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