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post #1 of 41
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Hopefully this will be fixed in the upcoming months with the i3 series but....

The chips on Sandy Bridge have two separate IGPs. There is a 6 execution GPU and a 12 Execution Unit GPU. the 12EU Graphics Processor has roughly twice the performance of last generation GPUs, where as the 6EU is basically a rehash of the old design it just is integrated fully this time not a MCM add on.

If you intend to run the integrated GPU you will need to use the H67 chipset. This is where the snafu starts.

The H67 chipset does not support overclocking even on the K series unlocked CPUs. However the only CPUs that have a 12EU IGP are the K series CPUs.

Why? This really makes no sense to me at all.

It seems to me the 2500 and 2600 K series should have 6EU IGPs since those are going to be used in gaming machines and overclocking machines anyway, and put the 12EU IGPs in the non-K 2500/2600. Leave the rest of them at 6EU as they are "low power design solution"


Does anyone have some insight as to why they do this? Is it to force people to buy the K series chips for H67 or to get people to wait to upgrade until z68 comes out? Or does it have to do with the architecture of the CPU.
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post #2 of 41
I want to change my name to AMD/INTEL HATER now

intel makes no sense

i guess they wanted to make you pay a lot for that extra graphics power
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post #3 of 41
yeah i saw the video on NewEgg and couldnt stop thinking "what are they doing with all this nomenclature? trying to pull an AMD?"
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post #4 of 41
good thing nvidia is making an ARM processor
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post #5 of 41
It makes sense. Enthusiasts will buy K processors, but not use the integrated graphics. Non-enthusiasts will not be able to tell the difference.
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post #6 of 41
You seem to forget most of these chips to go Dell and the other big OEMs where overclocking will be locked anyway. Enthusiasts are a tiny fraction of the market.
 
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post #7 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by cory1234 View Post
It makes sense. Enthusiasts will buy K processors, but not use the integrated graphics. Non-enthusiasts will not be able to tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post
You seem to forget most of these chips to go Dell and the other big OEMs where overclocking will be locked anyway. Enthusiasts are a tiny fraction of the market.
We aren't talking about a GTX 480 here. The integrated GPUs are horrible and 6 to 12 makes a huge difference.
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post #8 of 41
lol I see what you're saying...

They put the crappy IGP on the crappy parts but put the good IGP on the "K" models which are only targeted towards Enthusiasts who won't use them anyway.

You're right though...it doesn't really make much sense until you look at the other aspects.

Majority of the OEM's will only be using the H67 chipset as they have no need for overclocking or anything else. The onboard IGP will be used by default and then they can charge people to upgrade to better ones. The better the CPU, the better the IGP and the more they can charge the customers.

From a Business standpoint, it's a great decision. It allows Intel to make more money and in turns allows OEM's to charge more even though the customer is only getting a different CPU.

As far as K parts go, realistically, I see the K parts as just being binned normal parts with unlocked multipliers so they'll have the same IGP's anyway.
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post #9 of 41
AMD HATER, if you don't like AMD don't buy their products you don't have to be a complete turd about it.
More competition is better for the consumer. AMDs existence actually benefits Intel fanboys even if they don't have the brain cells to work this out. By the way I'm not an AMD fanboy so don't bother, I'm a PC fanboy.

I'm sure the Intel marketing department have analysed the chip features to the nth degree and this is what they've come up with to maximise profit margins.
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post #10 of 41
For people who play games 6 and 12 is a nonissue. For peopel who are just going to watch some videos again 6 and 12 is a nonissue.

Pricing may not make sense but nor does the fact that all t he sandy bridge quad cores are based on the same silicon yet sell for different prices.
Edited by TickleMeElmo - 1/8/11 at 1:23am
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