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post #21 of 41
wow actually i actually read that last slide i posted. completely idiotic and repetitive. here it is in 3 words: SMART UNLOCKED PERFORMANCE

... whatever that means



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OK, now your on my team!
W00T


But basically H67 unlocks the GPU overclocking if you have K series and P67 unlocks CPU core multiplier if you have a K chip. the whole thing is stupid

idk why there isn't a hack for unlocking with these chipsets. there has to be some identifier you can spoof in the bios or with a driver that will unlock the chips fully.
Edited by AMD HATER - 1/8/11 at 2:47am
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post #22 of 41

double post


w00t

there are your answers

Z68 what is intel doing? I think they hired a bunch of AMD guys or something for this naming scheme


Edited by AMD HATER - 1/8/11 at 2:56am
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post #23 of 41
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you can overclock only the integrated graphics on a H67 chipset.
I take what he says in the video to mean that P67 allows you to vary the CPU base clock, and H67 allows you to vary the GPU clock. But the K is not overclocked by raising the base clock. It's overclocked by raising the multiplier. I don't see anything anywhere in the official Intel docs to indicate H67 does not allow you to change the multiplier. This would be silly and would make no sense. The essential difference between H67 and P67 is that H67 has extra hardware onboard to handle video out, e.g. the HDMI chip.

Here's a manual for an entry-level H67 motherboard

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...-h67m-d2_e.pdf

Page 32 clearly shows that you can't change BCLK, but you can change the multiplier and the GPU frequency.

Edit: and here's a manual for a P67 motherboard from the same manufacturer

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...h67)-ud3_e.pdf

page 34. Here we don't have the GPU frequency control, but we have the BCLK control.
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post #24 of 41
that intel rep on the newegg video sounded like a robot. i don't know if he actually knew what he was talkign about. but i do know that the second video i posted is correct and mimics the newegg video so he was correct although he said base clock instead of core multiplier.

look right above your post and watch the video
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post #25 of 41
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I take what he says in the video to mean that P67 allows you to vary the CPU base clock, and H67 allows you to vary the GPU clock. But the K is not overclocked by raising the base clock. It's overclocked by raising the multiplier. I don't see anything anywhere in the official Intel docs to indicate H67 does not allow you to change the multiplier. This would be silly and would make no sense. The essential difference between H67 and P67 is that H67 has extra hardware onboard to handle video out, e.g. the HDMI chip.

Here's a manual for an entry-level H67 motherboard

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...-h67m-d2_e.pdf

Page 32 clearly shows that you can't change BCLK, but you can change the multiplier and the GPU frequency.

Edit: and here's a manual for a P67 motherboard from the same manufacturer

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...h67)-ud3_e.pdf

page 34. Here we don't have the GPU frequency control, but we have the BCLK control.
Nope, I disagree. It's not silly, every single tech review site out there reported that only P67 chipsets can overclock the CPU during this time. And I believe they are right. So if you want to overclock the CPU and use the IGP at the same time then you can wait for Z68. The Z68 will be good for people who want to use it for purely applications/encoding but need the overclock speeds and also need a discrete onboard graphics solution. The gamers won't care about the IGP so they will go with P67 but the HTPC people will want H67 with the lower speed Sandy Bridge CPU's because H67 provides a discrete graphics solution along with a CPU.

"Intel® H67 Express Chipset also enables overclocking features of unlocked 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors."

This statement is ambiguous, do not forget there are two processors in this chip. The GPU and the CPU, but in this case I believe they mean you can adjust and overclock the multiplier of the Graphics Processing Unit and not the Central Processing Unit.

According to this review the reviewer received a 2500K processor and an H67 board. GPU multiplier could be played around with on the H67 but trying to change the multiplier on the 2500K and saving it causes the system to lock up and requires a BIOS power up reset. So pretty much H67 + 2500K/2600K = Useless. At least if you're looking to overclock the K series CPU's, because that's what they are made for.

Read:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...&limitstart=15

Want to overclock? Get P67
Need CPU and discrete graphics? Get H67
Want to overclock and use the graphics at the same time? Wait for Z68

Anandtech report:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...-2100-tested/6
post #26 of 41
the new chipset will support both the integrated and overclocking
post #27 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD HATER View Post
that intel rep on the newegg video sounded like a robot. i don't know if he actually knew what he was talkign about. but i do know that the second video i posted is correct and mimics the newegg video so he was correct although he said base clock instead of core multiplier.

look right above your post and watch the video
The guy in the second video is not affiliated with Intel in any way, for all we know, he gets his information from this forum.

I know a guy at Intel who should know for sure, I'll try to raise him on facebook in the morning.
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post #28 of 41
Not every single review indicated H67 does not overclock.
First off - almost no h67 boards were reviewed so far.

pcstats review had dh67bl(maybe eng. sample?) and 2500k (ES sample for sure), and the board locked up when he tried to change multipliers (and they were all available to change).

and some dutch review (hardware.info) reports you could actually overclock K-series way over turbo+4 on h67.

also LN2 overclockers have 4.7ghz system for sale with an h67 board.
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Not every single review indicated H67 does not overclock.
First off - almost no h67 boards were reviewed so far.

pcstats review had dh67bl(maybe eng. sample?) and 2500k (ES sample for sure), and the board locked up when he tried to change multipliers (and they were all available to change).

and some dutch review (hardware.info) reports you could actually overclock K-series way over turbo+4 on h67.

also LN2 overclockers have 4.7ghz system for sale with an h67 board.


Then why does Anandtech report this:

"The H67 chipset has an FDI so you can use the on-die GPU, however it doesn’t support CPU overclocking—only memory."

Wishful thinking is wishful thinking. If H67 can overclock then why did Intel even bother with Z68 chipset? Wouldn't that be redundant don't you think? If H67 can do graphics and overclock there's no need for Z68. Every tech site I have been reading said that H67 chipset doesn't support CPU overclock.

There are a few H67 reviews out there, a majority of them did not overclock the CPU. If it was overclockable, wouldn't you think they would've tried overclocking on the H67 boards? I presume you didn't bother to read the BenchmarkReviews article.


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"To be precise, the H67 chipset does not support processor overclocking at all. Yes, even if you purchase a "K" series processor with a H67 motherboard you are out of luck. If this is what you were after, click the back button on your browser now."

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/c...l_h67_review/1


TechReaction:

"•H67 will not allow CPU multiplier overclocking, only base clock, which as I’ve already mentioned is very limited. If you intend to overclock your CPU, please do not choose H67. Memory overclocking is still possible with, and the GPU integrated in Sandy Bridge is enabled with H67. Please do not buy a “K†series CPU with H67, it will be a waste of your money."

http://www.techreaction.net/2011/01/...idge-v0-1beta/

So now we know, no CPU multiplier for the H67 and only BCLK. But BCLK is crippled and only going to net you 105 if you're lucky. Have fun with your BCLK overclocking. H67 doesn't support multiplier overclocking so good luck with that.
post #30 of 41
^^ what he said
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