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As many other members I'm upgrading my rig by way of SB. Out with my 775 and SI-128 SE in with a dedicated loop. I dabbled with WC on our HTPC by way of an H50 & Feser Triebwerk fan.. and I still can't get over how whisper quiet it is. I'm not looking for the noise with air and I'd love to quiet my 480 down as well. Please help me choose the components I need to WC my 1155 & GTX480 in my CM Stacker 830.

I'd like a combo pump/reservoir as space is severely limited in my stacker. I like the EK blocks and XSPC brand combo dual bay stuff. I like the look of compression fittings, would like advise on tubing, and have no clue on fluids or additives. I'd like the loop to be as quiet as possible with a nice OC in mind.


Here is what I was thinking:

CPU Water Block: EK Waterblocks EK-Supreme HF - Full Nickel - Rev 2
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekhffuni.html

GPU Block: EK GeForce 480 GTX VGA Liquid Cooling Block Nickel+Acetal
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10...311s1173#blank

Bay Reservoir/Pump: XSPC Acrylic Dual 5.25in Reservoir for DDC / Swiftech MCP35X 12 VDC Pump
Reservoir: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsacdu5refor.html
Pump: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpu1.html

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Radiator: XSPC RX Double or Triple 120mm? Another brand? Low Profile?

XSPC RX240 - 2x120mm Radiator Rev. 2
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsrx2xrare2.html

XSPC RX360 - 3x120mm Radiator Rev. 2
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsrx3xrare2.html


Fans: Quiet. Push? Push/Pull? Single set?

Noctua NF-P12
YATE LOON D12SM-12
Arctic Cooling AF12-PWM
Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15


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Tubing: Feser Tube Active UV Hose - 1/2" ID (3/4"OD) Anti-Kink Tubing - UV White
Fittings: Bitspower Rotary Compression & 2x Koolance Quick Disconnects

I'd like to install the rad under the bottom of the case and two fans above it in the case. If I need more fans I can always bring the rad into the case and mount two more fans below it.


Edited by vortech - 1/9/11 at 12:05am
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isnt pushing cool air into a rad better than pulling? i dont remember.

maybe u should just bring the rad in and put 2 fans on the outside bottom of case to blow air in. dust filters would be necessary, of course.
    
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Your loop looks pretty good right now, but I would change a few things:

Radiator:

Get the XSPC RX240 (2 x 120mm) Radiator. It's much better than the one you listed and will give you better temperatures.

Pump:

If you really want quiet the only way to get it is with a PWM pump. Even the quietest pumps still produce a slight amount of noise at full bore so if you really want a silent loop this is the only way to go. Get the XSPC Dual Bay Res for Laing DDC and the Swiftech MCP 35X.

Finally, for the fans:

I'd get the Artic Cooling F-12s. Martin tested them and found them to be better than the Yate Loon and that Noctua, while being slightly worse than the Gentle Typhoon. However, the key point to note is that they support PWM control (Unlike the Typhoons)! With these fans you can daisy chain the PWM signal from the motherboard CPU header to all of the fans, and end the chain with the pump. Then turn on fan control in the bios and get automatic fan and pump control!
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Thanks for the quick replies.

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Originally Posted by Kick View Post
isnt pushing cool air into a rad better than pulling? i dont remember.
From what I read push/pull is the way to do it. The reason I was asking was if it is absolutely necessary considering what I'm cooling.

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Originally Posted by charliehorse55 View Post
Radiator: Get the XSPC RX240 (2 x 120mm) Radiator. It's much better than the one you listed and will give you better temperatures.

Pump: If you really want quiet the only way to get it is with a PWM pump. Even the quietest pumps still produce a slight amount of noise at full bore so if you really want a silent loop this is the only way to go. Get the XSPC Dual Bay Res for Laing DDC and the Swiftech MCP 35X.

Finally, for the fans: I'd get the Artic Cooling F-12s. Martin tested them and found them to be better than the Yate Loon and that Noctua, while being slightly worse than the Gentle Typhoon. However, the key point to note is that they support PWM control (Unlike the Typhoons)! With these fans you can daisy chain the PWM signal from the motherboard CPU header to all of the fans, and end the chain with the pump. Then turn on fan control in the bios and get automatic fan and pump control!
Thanks for the great reply! My concern with the radiator is the thickness, is there anything thinner you would recommend?

I looked into the pumps and I like what you're saying.. I couldn't find an example of anyone doing that yet. Do you have any links? The 35X is compatible with the XSPC Dual Bay DDC reservoir? This one http://www.xspc.biz/ddcdualbayresone.php?

Fans, good choice. Nice on the wallet and good for the loop. How many though? You think I can get away with two on the rad you suggested? Or is push/pull my only choice at low speed?
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My concern with the radiator is the thickness, is there anything thinner you would recommend?

I looked into the pumps and I like what you're saying.. I couldn't find an example of anyone doing that yet. Do you have any links? The 35X is compatible with the XSPC Dual Bay DDC reservoir? This one http://www.xspc.biz/ddcdualbayresone.php?

Fans, good choice. Nice on the wallet and good for the loop. How many though? You think I can get away with two on the rad you suggested? Or is push/pull my only choice at low speed?
RS240 is a similar XSPC Radiator that would work pretty well with those fans. However, considering the difference in thickness between the radiators is roughly the thickness of a fan, I'd recommend that you get the RX240 with a single set of fans vs. the RS240 with push-pull. With that type of radiator and those speeds of fans the extra thickness is going to help more than the extra set of fans. Not to mention that the extra fans would add noise as well.

As for the pump, I don't think anyone has done it yet. This is only because the pump is VERY new, having just been released in the past couple of months. Based on how PWM signalling works it should work fine though. That XSPC reservoir you linked is the correct one. To install the pump you simply have to remove the stock top (4 screws) and then screw the pump into the reservoir using the same 4 screws.

EDIT: If you could increase the amount of radiator space you could drop your temperatures another 5-6C easily.
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RS240 is a similar XSPC Radiator that would work pretty well with those fans. However, considering the difference in thickness between the radiators is roughly the thickness of a fan, I'd recommend that you get the RX240 with a single set of fans vs. the RS240 with push-pull. With that type of radiator and those speeds of fans the extra thickness is going to help more than the extra set of fans. Not to mention that the extra fans would add noise as well.

As for the pump, I don't think anyone has done it yet. This is only because the pump is VERY new, having just been released in the past couple of months. Based on how PWM signalling works it should work fine though. That XSPC reservoir you linked is the correct one. To install the pump you simply have to remove the stock top (4 screws) and then screw the pump into the reservoir using the same 4 screws.

EDIT: If you could increase the amount of radiator space you could drop your temperatures another 5-6C easily.
Ok I'll stick with the RX series. Now I'm wondering if a dual 120 with a single set of AF12 fans is enough for this loop. I might be able to fit RX360 on the floor with some serious cutting.. What concerns me is the thickness of the rad as it will come up higher then the motherboard. Talk to me about your edit, increase how? by thickness or going triple?

My next concern is the fittings.. I'd like to use a few 90 degree rotary fittings but I worry about pressure through the bends. Any insight? These things are expensive..

Straight - http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bishsirocofi.html
45 deg - http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/biduro45deco1.html
90 deg - http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/big14shsitrr1.html
QDC: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=28307 | http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=28308

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I meant if you could add another 240 radiator to the loop. Every little bit helps though, changing to a 360 on the bottom would lower temperatures 3-4C so if you think you can do it you should.

The flow restriction of fittings is quite negligible when compared to the waterblocks in the loop, and the MCP 35X is a VERY strong pump that will easily push through all of this.
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