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I'd promised someone a thread on a cheap air conditioning mod, since I get ahold of portable AC units here and there. This is THE time of year to pick up a used one for cheap. This one was 50 bucks for a 12000btu unit. That's around 3500 watts, so way more than enough.

Oh, and I know I skipped a lot of steps, but I forgot that I was going to do a little guide at first, and I wasn't going to rebuild it, or bend the pipes back up and then down. Once is enough.

Anything from 6000 to 12000 will do a great job at low temps and high load.

I don't know what they get for portables over there in the UK, but here they're pretty common and people tend to hate them for the noise. Usually have a Rotary now, somewhere in the 10 to 15cc range, about 5/8hp to 1hp depending on the units. LG, Hitachi, Rechi, Toshiba, depending on the brand it could be any of those or others.






I like the Danby units for this. Not that Danby is a great brand, just that the way they build the portables makes it easy to strip without removing the gas. You can get all the wiring out of the way just by removing the panels and a few plates, and you get enough screws and hardware that you can easily mod it back to what you want. The Toshiba Rotaries they use are pretty good too.

The only tools I needed were a pair of cutters, and a drill. A pair of tin snips is really handy for fabricating the bit of support with all the extra plastic junk gone.

I needed about 10 cable ties and a bit of wire guard to route some wiring safely but there really wasn't much to add.



The tough and dangerous part is the bending of the copper pipes for the evap. It was upright when I started, so I had to very carefully bend it horizontal, small bends at a time, NO KINKING or it's over. Once you get it closer to where you want, bend it so that the new tray/reservior can be used.I recommend using a knife to slice the insulation off of where you'll bend and then you could reuse it with rubber cement. If you don't remove the insulation, you risk kinking it.






Keep in mind, the longer straitaways are easier to bend. The longer pipes will also 'twist' a little without danger, just not too much. Support the pipes close to the evap and condensor, real danger spots for leakage if they kink up on you.




Don't try to heat the pipes to soften them, and there will be really stiff parts that won't bend nice. Just move to another location that'll still give you what you need. If you do it just right, it'll all be within the area of the base, so you could (if you wanted) stick panels on. Even the original ones might fit back on, even if it's just to pretty it up enough so your wife or mother won't freak when she see's it



That's the only 'part' you really need to add. I used a tray out of a plastic 'standup' organiser but a tub with a lid the same size is ideal. I find most portables, and Danby especially, use an evap that perfectly sized to fit one of these plastic tubs.

After that, it's just a matter of putting styrofoam into the tub to hold the evap up a few inches, so that the water is able to travel over and under. That done, I'd be using more styrofoam (just packing material, it's waterproof) to create a 'shroud' of sorts, so the water has to go through the fins. If you do it dry, and then silicone the works so it has to travel the way you want, you're set. Just put one hose above, and one below the evaporator. Then the water has to go through, and that'll give you the best heat transfer you'll get from this mod.



Once you have the evap set and the hoses in, you just need a lid. drill holes on the lid and run your pipes. You can silicone the lid on if you want, depends if you're going to be moving the thing around a lot. When you're happy with how it's done, you can insulate the res however you can with what you have.



Kept getting colder too

Cheapest way to do it is to blag some basic house insulation (that's kind of in keeping with the whole 'cheap chiller' mentality we're going for here) and make it best you can in a wrap around. You could use duct tape as a final wrap to keep the insulation in place. Just a big 'sleeve'.

I didn't show the setup on the evap or the insulating of the res, but I'm using this condensing unit on a cascade later on, so no point in making any of it permanent.

That's is, you just fit your water loop in and plug it in.

The plugs themselves here in Canada/US have a safety switch, but the UK has switched plugs on the wall, but these can work as a switch.



Once everything was stripped and I had the wiring for compressor and fan run out, there were only 2 wires from each. Most of the time there's a small power block in the AC units and I used the one that was there, which took spade connectors. Already on the wiring so no mod there either. I just found places to drill and screw down the fan capacitor, compressor run capacitor, and power block. too easy really.

Other than that, you could get fancy and reinstall the controller for the AC unit to control the temp, but they're limited to around 10c at the lowest, usually more like 15c, but taped to the water inlet on the res, it would give a reasonably low temp.

Just full power with 50/50 coolant would work though, and not freeze up on you. Could also buy a cheapo refrigeration controller from Ebay, just a basic Eliwell or whatever for single temp control if you don't want full power, but as a benching chiller that's only on when you're working it, it's a pretty cheap way to get into phase.

Full power? I'd say the water would still run into the negative numbers even with a quad and 3 gpu's. If you had a max of 1500w (and that's a lot of cpu/gpu's) I'd guesstimate -10 at the evap. That could be off by a bit either way, but still it means you best look at insulating the lines and waterblocks just as if you had a mild phase unit on DD.

I guess if you scored a unit for 50 bucks and spent another 50 sticking a cheap/ebay controller on it and prettying it up with a couple things, then it'd be a $100 chiller, but the basic no frills one just like this for benching would work fine.

Only reason I posted another cheap ac guide is because the ones here are showing the window units, and the portable is easier to make a selfcontained/on-wheels kind of setup.

I didn't show it, but there are a lot of long L brackets you get, and you can use them to support the condensor, the reservior, etc and more than enough screws to fab it up.

So I hope that's a decent little guide on that. Window units and such are close to the same, but the portables always have the evap on top, condensor on bottom similar to this so it's not too tough to do it this way, and most of the time (and you really do have to be careful about the bending) you can do it all without taking the gas out, meaning no HVAC stuff involved. Still, gloves/goggles/common sense are required to be safe.



Gray
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Ok, just a repost from the thread I made at another forum, but it's about all you need.

If you want full control you can keep the controller and wiring on it, just keep track of what you need to disconnect to strip it down.

The probe for 'return air' is usually either on the condensor (hot radiator) where the air comes in, or on the evaporator (cold radiator) where the air comes in.

Move that probe to your return water line and it'll control the AC unit based on that.

Most AC units give you 60f minimum and up. Ideal if you want something close to ambient control.

You want full power, just take the probe out of the water and let it sit in the air, and set the controller's temp to low. It'll keep running, and a lot of them will pull the water down to -20 or colder at medium to high load.

Oh, the bending of the copper pipe is dangerous. Easy to bend, hard not to kink or split so if you're not sure, just don't do it. It could be done with the evaportator upright, I just like it lower to save space.

Hope that helps If you can find a cheapo portable AC, you can get 2000+ watts of cooling power

Gray
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The only issue I'm not really understanding is the whole thing/how it works. If I were to try and make it into a reservoir chiller what would I have to do for something like this? Would I have to create a reservoir that can fit the big radiator thing inside of it? Is there a way you can get a pic of it before the bending or can I just get a serial number and maybe I can look it up.
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I actually got one the same

I haven't bent the upper 'radiator' (it's the evaporator, cold side) so you can see it standing up. Will throw a pic or 2 up of it like that.

Definitely need a tray or res or whatever that it'll go in. I'll measure it for you but they can be different so what this one is may not match a different brand.

A lid is handy, so getting a plastic 'organiser' just the right size is great. Then you can just drill holes for the pipes.

But yeah, once you have a tray, it's just a matter of using some styrofoam or whatever to make it so that the water pipes are on either side, pushing the water through that 'rad' so to speak.

The rest you can leave the way it is as far as wiring. Whether it's digital or one with knobs really, just need the probe to be in your water to regulate the temps, instead of it reading the air temp.

Will get that pic up in a few.

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Ok, so here's what it looks like before it's bent. Everything is out of the way again, so if you're not going to use it for anything else you don't need the fan housing or anything gone.






And depending on the 'tray' you can find for a reservior, you may only need to be partially angled. Just a matter of getting that top one fully in the water, and a hose on each side so the water will have to go through it.

Edit: this one still has gas, but I took the support off for the pics so you could see the room. There's tons of room to move on these ones The pipes are pretty easy to bend too, but really you do have to be careful. Kinking will block the flow inside, and if you 'tweak' it hard enough they can split. So just like any kind of tubing (plastic is just the same really) you bend slow and watch out for kinking to start.

I'm kind of 'overplaying' the danger a bit, but I have to. Anyone that not comforable bending the tubes, the risk involved, or isn't somewhat mechanically inclined really shouldn't do this.

If you could, get some 3/8" pipe (not solid, the soft coiled stuff) and just give a quick practice, so you can see how it bends, and what you can get away with.

Take it slow, don't try to bend it very sharply (longer gradual bending is easier to not kink) and you'll be just fine

Some of the portables are harder to work with. The location of the fans or anything else can make it awkward.

That's why I suggest the Danby 'square' looking ones. Danby AC units are cheaper but easier for this stuff. They tend to use Toshiba Rotary compressors and they've worked well enough in my Cascade so for a chiller I think they'll be fine

Gray
Edited by Gray Mole - 1/8/11 at 11:32pm
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so far i haven't found a portable ac unit within budget. all the ones I've found were $175 and up. Right now I'm looking at this one for $50. Its Haier 5200 BTU/h and it's right around the corner from my house. I'm still looking around but this won't be till the summer so I have time.
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Those work fine, but are a bit more work to make it 'pretty'

When you strip them, you have to chop the fan shaft to get some space to make a reservior. Otherwise they're not really that bad, and if you can make a box of some kind for when you're done then it could all go into that, and the 'guts' don't need to be so great.

The other thing about a chiller conversion is that if you do it up right, and get a decent pump, you can stick the thing outside and just run longer lines. Then it doesn't have to keep you awake at night

Can just run the water pipes in through your window or whatever.

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Those work fine, but are a bit more work to make it 'pretty'

When you strip them, you have to chop the fan shaft to get some space to make a reservior. Otherwise they're not really that bad, and if you can make a box of some kind for when you're done then it could all go into that, and the 'guts' don't need to be so great.

The other thing about a chiller conversion is that if you do it up right, and get a decent pump, you can stick the thing outside and just run longer lines. Then it doesn't have to keep you awake at night

Can just run the water pipes in through your window or whatever.

Gray
So how loud are these things? I have three scythe ultra kaze 3000 rpm running full speed and I love them. Are these coolers much louder then the Ultra Kazes? Also with these portable ones would I probably need to degas it?
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Rotary compressors are pretty loud, but if you've ever heard a portable or window AC with a rotary, it's like that.

The portable ones with the case on are quieter with the panels blocking noise, and you can add some sound insulation when you refit which helps.

The reason I like the portables is that you can get away with this if you're careful. I bent that one with the gas still in. So all you do once your tray is there and assembled is add some support to the tray (res) and refit the panels, with the control system still there.

If you're lucky (or actually measure things) the panels go on and it's back to looking like an AC.

So yeah, bending it how you need without degassing can be done. Just take precautions. If it bursts and you get it in the eye you could be blind. So goggles and stuff need to be worn 'in case of' but it's very rare that the pipe will rupture even if it kinks. I 'overplay' it because if it's even a slim possibility then it's got to be accounted for.


Gray

Oh, comparing fans to a compressor is hard. But a Rotary is around the same as a louder fan, just a different 'tone' is all.
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Dam. Now I'm not too sure if I want to take the jump since it could be $50 down the drain. I looked at the manual for that window unit and everything looks pretty well crammed in there and i'm not sure how well I'd be able to make a reservoir without degassing it. Would it be possible to use a bag as a reservoir? Theoretically I know you can as long as it holds water but I'm not sure how well it would work with the prolonged cold. Transporting it full of water would be a definite no but if it's just standing there that might be a possibility.
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