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heheh I don't know about the bag'o'water thing biggrin.gif

But yes, they are crammed in the window units way more than a portable, but do remember that the fan is usually a 'barrel cube' on the evaporator and it's insulated around it. With that junk out of the way, you have plenty of room for a Res on the evap.

Likely a 'standup' res would be easier on those though, no real room for laying flat unless you make a box for it.

I suggest you don't 'rush' on the buying though. CL is always there. AC units come up all the time, and you have 2 months before they go to 'summer pricing' so take your time and one will appear biggrin.gif

I look almost every day (since I make phase all the time) and sometimes you even see the window units being given away. Rare.

I got a free portable a while back because the fan was dead on it biggrin.gif When you're stripping them, a bad fan matters not.

So good to keep an eye out. If you're more inclined, you 'could' do the old 'cold rad' trick instead. Run your rad (or rads) with the cold air of the AC unit into them.

You can still regulate your air temp too, if you can get at the probe and move that into your water it would do the same sort of thing. Not 'as well' but your water temps would be lower for sure, and still not cold enough to condense badly, and you could monitor that until a good setting was found.

Hell, you could set up a dual 240mm rad right on the window unit.

If the AC conversion is just a bit too awkward, then cooling your water rads might be a better option. Still cheap if you can find one used, but also (in the spring) sometimes Home Depot and places have like $80 specials on the 5-6000btu window units.

Something to keep in mind.


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heheh I don't know about the bag'o'water thing

But yes, they are crammed in the window units way more than a portable, but do remember that the fan is usually a 'barrel cube' on the evaporator and it's insulated around it. With that junk out of the way, you have plenty of room for a Res on the evap.

Likely a 'standup' res would be easier on those though, no real room for laying flat unless you make a box for it.

I suggest you don't 'rush' on the buying though. CL is always there. AC units come up all the time, and you have 2 months before they go to 'summer pricing' so take your time and one will appear

I look almost every day (since I make phase all the time) and sometimes you even see the window units being given away. Rare.

I got a free portable a while back because the fan was dead on it When you're stripping them, a bad fan matters not.

So good to keep an eye out. If you're more inclined, you 'could' do the old 'cold rad' trick instead. Run your rad (or rads) with the cold air of the AC unit into them.

You can still regulate your air temp too, if you can get at the probe and move that into your water it would do the same sort of thing. Not 'as well' but your water temps would be lower for sure, and still not cold enough to condense badly, and you could monitor that until a good setting was found.

Hell, you could set up a dual 240mm rad right on the window unit.

If the AC conversion is just a bit too awkward, then cooling your water rads might be a better option. Still cheap if you can find one used, but also (in the spring) sometimes Home Depot and places have like $80 specials on the 5-6000btu window units.

Something to keep in mind.


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I did see one window unit for $15 and only about 20 minutes away but it looked pretty old but they say it works :/ I'm just not sure whether my parents would like a big window unit sitting on the floor of my room making noise. Another issue is the water that comes out of window units, what do I do with that?
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If you have a window, you could just install it 'as normal' and the water would go where it usually would.

Cool thing about water is you can pipe a longer run pretty easy.

But you're right, the noise and parents can be an issue, that's for sure. My roomates don't much like the noise I make either Thankfully I have a garage to build in so the noise isn't as big an issue.

But the 'rule of three' always applies.

If you want cheap and good, it's never usually quiet.

If you want cheap and quiet, it's never usually good.

If you want good and quiet, it's never usually cheap.



If you want all 3 be prepared for a loooong wait.

Aquarium chillers are usually pretty quiet. Could just keep an eye out for one going cheap. Eventually you'll see one on CL or Ebay.


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If you have a window, you could just install it 'as normal' and the water would go where it usually would.

Cool thing about water is you can pipe a longer run pretty easy.

But you're right, the noise and parents can be an issue, that's for sure. My roomates don't much like the noise I make either Thankfully I have a garage to build in so the noise isn't as big an issue.

But the 'rule of three' always applies.

If you want cheap and good, it's never usually quiet.

If you want cheap and quiet, it's never usually good.

If you want good and quiet, it's never usually cheap.



If you want all 3 be prepared for a loooong wait.

Aquarium chillers are usually pretty quiet. Could just keep an eye out for one going cheap. Eventually you'll see one on CL or Ebay.


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I found one chiller that looks great but it's $300. I would love to get a custom one with a nice box like the ones I've seen SD make but those re just too pricey for me. Ebay looks a bit too much for what you get.
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Yeah, when it comes to refrigerated stuff CL seems the best option, just means waiting and watching for a good one to come up.

Most of the time anything custom runs over 500, though it just depends.

Occasionally you'll get someone wants to get away from overclocking and sells a chiller for cheap too. Doesn't happen often but it happens.

300 for a 1/8 or better aquarium chiller that new is a good price.

There's a 1/4hp one here in Vancouver up for 250 that looks good, rated for around 1000w cooling. Not that often you see 'em go cheap but the Aquarium stuff is sort of 'specialised' so not many out there and people with fish are looking just as hard.

I think it would be around 1000 bucks new for 1/4hp chiller for tanks.

Building yourself can be really cheap, especially if you can find the parts for very little, but any builder's going to charge for the time it takes to make it. Problem with 'getting into phase building' for a project or 2, is you'll spend more on the equipment to do it than it would cost to just buy one.

But for lower noise and 'compact' design, the aquarium chillers are ideal, unless a custom unit is made.

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Yeah, when it comes to refrigerated stuff CL seems the best option, just means waiting and watching for a good one to come up.

Most of the time anything custom runs over 500, though it just depends.

Occasionally you'll get someone wants to get away from overclocking and sells a chiller for cheap too. Doesn't happen often but it happens.

300 for a 1/8 or better aquarium chiller that new is a good price.

There's a 1/4hp one here in Vancouver up for 250 that looks good, rated for around 1000w cooling. Not that often you see 'em go cheap but the Aquarium stuff is sort of 'specialised' so not many out there and people with fish are looking just as hard.

I think it would be around 1000 bucks new for 1/4hp chiller for tanks.

Building yourself can be really cheap, especially if you can find the parts for very little, but any builder's going to charge for the time it takes to make it. Problem with 'getting into phase building' for a project or 2, is you'll spend more on the equipment to do it than it would cost to just buy one.

But for lower noise and 'compact' design, the aquarium chillers are ideal, unless a custom unit is made.

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Yea right now I don't think my budget is going to allow for phase. I think I'm going to go for another case full of radiators to try and keep my Delta above ambient as low as possible. I would love to get three 360mm radiators into a case along with two reservoirs and two pumps all inside of a cheapo case. I would love to go with a bunch of scythe ultra kazes but they cost a bit too much. Probably going to go with some high speed yate loons.
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Thanks for this info smile.gif
Hopfully I'll be able to find something to play with.
I have one at home. frown.gif but I need It haha or I'll end up sitting in the res over summer smile.gif
    
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Yeah, you'll love it for now, but the hot weather WILL come and you'll regret not having it biggrin.gif

Now's the time though, there's tons of AC's on CL and the local papers for cheap. Won't last that much longer with Summer on it's way on it's still early enough they go for next to nothing.

If you have a nice one, then it's better to find one that's beat up or whatever.

I look out for and buy new ones from CL all the time for super cheap. Window units are great for that here, since the summer's tend to be cool most of the time with only occasional hot spells, and window AC is a pain to put in compared to portables.

So if you watch for them, you can usually get them for 50 bucks or less. Compared to a custom chiller at 500 (if you're really lucky) and up, it's nothing really.

There's also the option of just running an adapter to a side panel mod on a PC and running the thing full blast. It dries the air on the way through so you could have something like 5-10c air into the side of the PC case without having to do much of anything. As long as the return air probe is reading the warm room air, then it'll keep pumping cold air at the PC. Just need to make a plate that you can set up a hose.

Not as effective or direct as a chiller mod, but you don't really need to take much apart. Can even chop the portable AC's exhaust hose in half if it's long enough and use that for the PC cold air hose.


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Yeah, you'll love it for now, but the hot weather WILL come and you'll regret not having it biggrin.gif
Now's the time though, there's tons of AC's on CL and the local papers for cheap. Won't last that much longer with Summer on it's way on it's still early enough they go for next to nothing.
If you have a nice one, then it's better to find one that's beat up or whatever.
I look out for and buy new ones from CL all the time for super cheap. Window units are great for that here, since the summer's tend to be cool most of the time with only occasional hot spells, and window AC is a pain to put in compared to portables.
So if you watch for them, you can usually get them for 50 bucks or less. Compared to a custom chiller at 500 (if you're really lucky) and up, it's nothing really.
There's also the option of just running an adapter to a side panel mod on a PC and running the thing full blast. It dries the air on the way through so you could have something like 5-10c air into the side of the PC case without having to do much of anything. As long as the return air probe is reading the warm room air, then it'll keep pumping cold air at the PC. Just need to make a plate that you can set up a hose.
Not as effective or direct as a chiller mod, but you don't really need to take much apart. Can even chop the portable AC's exhaust hose in half if it's long enough and use that for the PC cold air hose.
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yeah true.. im in aus.. so ment to be summer ( or what ever.. days go from hot to cold when ever the want >.< )

but that idea with the venting it straight into case sounds good smile.gif
the air probe is mounted inside.. can see it its sitting on the ( condensor? sorry forgot which one it is haha the cold one >.< redface.gif )
could quite easly pull it out and get it at room temp? ( or put it in the way of the exaust? :/ lol ) so it heats itself up? lol
but yeah might try find some sort of a vent... and move it closer to the pc.. atm its like 1.5 - 2 meters away from it.. so might be able to find something.. but will have to see (:
found out my 8800gt needs to be volt modded but dont have the VR haha ( dont think have to check )
but i had the ac on facing towards the comp.. and a 220cfm 120mm fan and it did alright on stock cooler ( 700mhz core from 600 so nothing special ) but was 45 - 55..
without them on it would be 60 - 70 lol (:
    
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