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update: found the setting to stop the loading windows bluescreens from autorebooting so i could read the error and it was 7B which is odd, so i reloaded the 30% (45x) oc saved setting in bios which uses the recommended by the bios vcore, and worked on first boot.. weird, have only benched it with hyperpi so far though, temps @ 66-68 .. gonna try out some games and see how it's going, i'll still maybe want to squeeze out a bit more from it if i can and keep it stable.
Try increasing other voltages as well, some BDOS can be caused by other voltages, that list is just a guide, its not written in stone.
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hello,

im running a 2600k @ 50x with a z68x-ud7-b3. one of the problems im having is getting my gskill ripjaws x 2133 8gb kit to run at rated 2133mhz. cpu-z reports 1333mhz 1:5 ratio, however, the timings are set as per the xmp profile ive set in the bios. i have tried all bioses listed on gigabyte site, using f8c now.

wondering whether i have to overclock the bclk or something to get windows to recognize 2133 which ive mingled with but seems to yield no rewards. post screen shows ram running at 2133 but cpu-z amongst others such as aida reports wrong figure!!!!! tried doing it manually by setting all the subtimings trfc etc etc and when i do that it won't stay stable with my 5ghz oc.
if i set 1866, cpuz gives 800 (1600mhz 9-10-8-27 1t)! if i set 2133, cpuz shows 666 with 9-11-9-28-2t. ive tried a variety of configs no joy.

here's my bios settings:

50x
pll overvolt on
no powersaving c states etc
prohot auto
xmp profile 1 on turbo enhance (seems to change it automatically)
spd auto (tried manual too no change)
everything else on auto.
vcore 1.405 in bios
level 10
bclk disabled


cheers
Hey man sorry to hear about it. Have you tried increase the qpi/vtt voltage when not using XMP?

And no do not increase the BLCK.
BTW if you cannot get 2133mhz to work, please user 1.65v, i know the kit might say 1.5v, but its like teh corsair kit i have it says 1.5v but really needs 1.65v for 2133 at the same timings as you.

Right now I am going to get my Z68X-UD7 on my test bench and try it out. with that 2133 mhz corsair kit, that is a copy of your kit.
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Where can I obtain the F3H BIOS at? I looked on Gigabyte's site and all they have is "F3".
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So basically I just disable the features listed in the OP, change the multi to something like 40, and slowly bump up? The guide made it sound like the voltage changes automatically, is this on all boards? Can I still manually drop the vcore to get better temps?

Also, does turbo boost not matter? I'm not really sure I understand how it works. If I OC to 4.0ghz is it gonna try and turbo boost up to like 4.6? Or is it just irrelevant since its over 3.8ghz?
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hey,
first off yes teh voltage should change upto a point when you increase the multiplier.

And yes you can make the voltage whatever you want it to be, but automatically it should change the vcore when you increase the multiplier.

On certain boards you can only set turbo multiplier, in that case under load it will go upto that multiplier. At stock, turbo multiplier is set above the normal stock multiplier.

With certain boards you also need to have C6/C3 or EIST enabled for turbo to work properly.

just try it out
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thank you so much for the reply. i think the repeated 101 bsod's have proven to be somewhat deceiving so thank you for pointing out the fact there are other triggers. i have mingled with 1.32vtt and 1.35vtt, though given the randomness of the issue, it got to a point where i started questioning whether the LLC was to blame. one minute im getting a crisp 5ghz stable at 1.405v (bios) 1.464v (idle) 1.428 (load) and 1.488 (peak) and the next it needed 1.48v (bios). It's always a inconvenience when your monitoring tools of choice such as cpu-z and HWmon contains bugs/incompatibilities that prevents certain sensors from being accurately reported. i'd probably be good to go by now if i could have the information i need; but since there were multiple factors involved, i was pretty much shooting in the dark trying to find correlations between configs and stability given prime was the only stressor that induced crashes- 0x101 owned me badly with a sleight of hand there. haha but thats the fun of the game isnt it, thnx again i will try manually increasing vtt qpi and report my findings.
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hey, 1.3v QPI/VTT + is really REALLY high for sandybridge, you want to stay under 1.25, as qpi/vtt only affects teh memory controller and not the CPu overclock.

What you want to do is maybe start again, first focusing on the CPU and then on the memory.

Try not to increase the BLCK at all, enable BLCk control and set it to 1000.

Also I use easytune6 as my HWmonitoring, as it detects everything correctly, just make sure to decrease the polling interval to 1sec.

BTW what BIOS are you using? and what board again?

Can you fill out your system specs in your signature like everyone else? itd help a lot
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Hey Sin0822,

I don't know what the problem was, but under extreme heavy CPU loads my voltage kept going to 1.260, even after a few small increases in the voltage (in the advanced ET6)... So I decided to use the Load-Line Calibration (there were two options over the intel standard, Level 1 and 2?)

Well, knowing it could make it increase a lot, I turned down my voltage setting before enabling it (glad I did too, that feature really works).

I have it set to Level 2, keeping the BIOS set voltage at 1.255 range, and my load on the Vcore (according to ET6 and CPUZ) on loads have been at 1.296

As long as I keep the voltage with in perfectly safe limits, Level 2 on LLC should be perfectly safe, right?

After 50 runs of Intel Burn Test (With AVX instruction) my temps only peaked at on one core 70C. (Others around the upper-mid to upper 60s)

I just want to be sure I am using LLC properly to help ensure stability on my system.
Edited by Hoodcom - 7/19/11 at 4:49pm
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Sin0822,

I made a mistake when i typed 1.32/1.35 qpi/vtt voltage, got it confused with my other rig for a minute there.
Updated specs as requested, thnx for reminding me

Thank you for your assistance, turns out the main issue was my 8gb ripjawsx 2133mhz / 21.33 spd was too high for the overclock i was aiming for, despite reassurance from gskill. I trusted them enough to be certain they had to work at rated speeds. my bad. Once i dropped the multi down to 1866, the rest of the configuration went along smoothly and consistently as i initially expected.

Current configuration:

F7 bios
51x
bclk disabled
xmp off
1:7 dram ratio / 18.66 spd
PLL Overvolt enabled
LLC level 7
CPU vcore 1.57v BIOS, 1.536v load (looking to improve this once my practical understanding of LLC increases and i get more familiar with my mobo)
qpi/vtt- 1.08v
pll- auto (1.8v)
pch auto (1.05v)
DRAM 1.54v bios, 1.536v windows
c1e, c states etc disabled.
HTT + ALL cores enabled.
Dram performance enhance- Turbo

this config gives me
10.03 points in cinebench r11.5.
35800 points 3D06 @ 972mhz core, 2250mem (gtx580) @ 5.1ghz and
23486 pcmark vantage @ 981mhz / 2228mhz 5.1ghz

Once again thank you for the support, if you have anything to add/ask feel free. I will update the above when im certain i've found my max optimum 5ghz + config.

fyi- all XMP profiles work fine up to 2133mhz as long as the cpu is at 4.9ghz or below. but since xmp forces 1.05v qpi/vtt, any overclocks that require more than 1.05v will result in instability- and manually changing the qpi/vtt singularly also results in cmos clear/post loop. seems theres a conflict with xmp, and/or the memory controller soils itself due to the spikes in voltages since anything past 5ghz and she gets hungry for juice. i could be wrong please advise??. No big deal though, im getting better scores with 1866 than my kingston modules and i had them running at 2400mhz 9-11-9-27-1t 1.66v for my everyday config so theres nothing to sook about there plus the timings are great, these gskill modules are quite flexible timings-wise and rock solid so far.

I've uploaded my aida64 Extreme Edition bench results, if you wouldn't mind taking a quick look to see if the figures look about right?

cheers
Edited by beletz - 7/19/11 at 2:58pm
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Hi!
When i followed step #2 of this guide, i've got a strange situation with Vcore on x49 and x50. Following the guide i've noted Vcore (in BIOS) for all steps from x46 to x50 and got this:
x46 1.296-1.304v
x47 1.344-1.352v
x48 1.392-1.400v
x49 1.440-1.448v
x50 1.432-1.440v

on x50 under load (1hr blend) Vcore in CPU-Z was 1.496-1.504v

thats all w/o LLC and other stuff so almost on full auto

i'm curious, same BIOS Vcore for x49 and x50 - is it some kind of bug or just lucky with CPU?
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Hey Sin0822,

I don't know what the problem was, but under extreme heavy CPU loads my voltage kept going to 1.260, even after a few small increases in the voltage (in the advanced ET6)... So I decided to use the Load-Line Calibration (there were two options over the intel standard, Level 1 and 2?)

Well, knowing it could make it increase a lot, I turned down my voltage setting before enabling it (glad I did too, that feature really works).

I have it set to Level 2, keeping the BIOS set voltage at 1.255 range, and my load on the Vcore (according to ET6 and CPUZ) on loads have been at 1.296

As long as I keep the voltage with in perfectly safe limits, Level 2 on LLC should be perfectly safe, right?

After 50 runs of Intel Burn Test (With AVX instruction) my temps only peaked at on one core 70C. (Others around the upper-mid to upper 60s)

I just want to be sure I am using LLC properly to help ensure stability on my system.
Yup that is how to use it, enable and drop the vcore a bit. LLC level 2 raises the voltage under load, and level1 gives a slight droop. As long as you are under the max for 24/7 you should be golden, and you are.
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Sin0822,

I made a mistake when i typed 1.32/1.35 qpi/vtt voltage, got it confused with my other rig for a minute there.
Updated specs as requested, thnx for reminding me

Thank you for your assistance, turns out the main issue was my 8gb ripjawsx 2133mhz / 21.33 spd was too high for the overclock i was aiming for, despite reassurance from gskill. I trusted them enough to be certain they had to work at rated speeds. my bad. Once i dropped the multi down to 1866, the rest of the configuration went along smoothly and consistently as i initially expected.

Current configuration:

F7 bios
51x
bclk disabled
xmp off
1:7 dram ratio / 18.66 spd
PLL Overvolt enabled
LLC level 7
CPU vcore 1.57v BIOS, 1.536v load (looking to improve this once my practical understanding of LLC increases and i get more familiar with my mobo)
qpi/vtt- 1.08v
pll- auto (1.8v)
pch auto (1.05v)
DRAM 1.54v bios, 1.536v windows
c1e, c states etc disabled.
HTT + ALL cores enabled.
Dram performance enhance- Turbo

this config gives me
10.03 points in cinebench r11.5.
35800 points 3D06 @ 972mhz core, 2250mem (gtx580) @ 5.1ghz and
23486 pcmark vantage @ 981mhz / 2228mhz 5.1ghz

Once again thank you for the support, if you have anything to add/ask feel free. I will update the above when im certain i've found my max optimum 5ghz + config.

fyi- all XMP profiles work fine up to 2133mhz as long as the cpu is at 4.9ghz or below. but since xmp forces 1.05v qpi/vtt, any overclocks that require more than 1.05v will result in instability- and manually changing the qpi/vtt singularly also results in cmos clear/post loop. seems theres a conflict with xmp, and/or the memory controller soils itself due to the spikes in voltages since anything past 5ghz and she gets hungry for juice. i could be wrong please advise??. No big deal though, im getting better scores with 1866 than my kingston modules and i had them running at 2400mhz 9-11-9-27-1t 1.66v for my everyday config so theres nothing to sook about there plus the timings are great, these gskill modules are quite flexible timings-wise and rock solid so far.

I've uploaded my aida64 Extreme Edition bench results, if you wouldn't mind taking a quick look to see if the figures look about right?

cheers
Hey yea they look fine.

Try this, enable BLCK adjustment, but don't change it from 1000.
manually set 21.33, and manually set the timings, I am guessing 9,11,9,27 T2? and then set the vdimm to 1.65v. That should work. You can increase that qpi/vtt upto 1.1-1.2v without any harm.
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Hi!
When i followed step #2 of this guide, i've got a strange situation with Vcore on x49 and x50. Following the guide i've noted Vcore (in BIOS) for all steps from x46 to x50 and got this:
x46 1.296-1.304v
x47 1.344-1.352v
x48 1.392-1.400v
x49 1.440-1.448v
x50 1.432-1.440v

on x50 under load (1hr blend) Vcore in CPU-Z was 1.496-1.504v

thats all w/o LLC and other stuff so almost on full auto

i'm curious, same BIOS Vcore for x49 and x50 - is it some kind of bug or just lucky with CPU?
Its the thing with SVID, its not perfect, it works to a certain point. if your CPU is stable then just enjoy it
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Sin0822,

I just followed your guide with my z68x-ud3-b3 motherboard. My main problem is that my 2600K couldn't even stay stable at x40 multiplier. I got a BSOD after I tried to start Intel Burn Test.

Yes, I leave the Vcore on auto, but BSOD with x40 multiplier? I feel like either my CPU fails, or I applied TIM incorrectly because my idle temp @ stock speed is around 36 celsius almost all the time (I use shin-etsu x23-7783d btw). Yet, when I push the multiplier up to x47, along with manually adjusting the Vcore to 1.450, I could run IBT without crashing, but the temp is in the 90s.

With Vcore on auto:
Couldn't boot into BIOS at x52
Couldn't boot into Windows at x48

Should I just RMA it? lol...

BIOS Settings (roughly):
Internal CPU PLL Overvoltage & Ratio Change in OS enable
C1E, EIST, C3, C6 States, CPU Thermal Monitor all disable
QPI/Vtt voltage auto
Didn't touch BCLK at all

Edit: I don't really know what is the cause of my problem right now. Just revert the BIOS back to optimize factory settings, bumped it up to x45, tried IBT, and temp hovered around 90s right as I started Stress test maximize/8 threads/5 runs. Quite disappointing for a 2600K.
Edited by Duplicated - 7/23/11 at 1:59am
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