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Anyone want to join me in my minecraft bunker? Impossible to get us in here.

I think this might lead to peace in all sections of the world, leading to world as 1.
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Bingo.

Major powers are all smart enough to avoid a war at all cost. High tech war machines are meant to prevent wars, by scaring each other, rather than start wars.
Hhhhmmm, you must've missed Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf war I and II, Afghanistan. Or doesn't it count when the enemy haven't got the same technology and are therefore easy targets?
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Are you sure? The F35 is not even in full production for the AirForce yet, why would the US be dumb enough to sell a fighter that is the latest and greatest and not even in full use in our own AF?

Just looked it up: Israel is a POTENTIAL buyer of the plane, just as a few other countries are, but to date no one outside the US has this plane.
no one inside the us has one either. not a full fledged version anyway. Plus what we do with the latest and greatest for countries that aren't our closest allies is sell them a stripped down version, like how we sold f-16s without look down shoot down radar to (i think) pakistan in the early 80s.

Anyway there are huge problems with the F35 program right now but I think it's back on track, despite the powerplants (Pratt and Whitney) major setbacks.

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All your electronics today are made in China...'nuff said...
They have many many years until they have anything approaching air supremacy

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Fail...Russian T50 had its maiden flight last year So China is the 3rd one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
I think that press release was Putin realizing his impotence and trying to feel important. He created a new position (prime minister) just before his presidency ended and filled it himself after medvedev was sworn in. He's a hard liner and wants the good ol days when he was kgb and the soviet union had as many nukes as us to be back. Sure, the T50 flew, but no confirmation that the stealth capabilities were functional yet. The whole press release was so that he could say something to the effect of 'we have a better plane than the us and it'll be in production and operational within 5 years'.


We have been dedicating our brightest and best to the military r&d for too many years to be overtaken in short order. Skunkworks and Phantom Works are too far along to be surpassed. No one is touching the F22 (in terms of air to air engagement) for a long time I don't think (not even the F35) but the SU-37 and J-XX, Eurofighter, are the natural contenders.
Edited by jadawgis732 - 1/15/11 at 2:08pm
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Hhhhmmm, you must've missed Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf war I and II, Afghanistan. Or doesn't it count when the enemy haven't got the same technology and are therefore easy targets?
Hmmmmm, you must've missed "major powers" and "high tech weapons".

Since when was Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghan (and Yoguslavia) considerd a major/super power?

Since when did any of those countries have even remotely the class of weapons as the USA?

You just made my point even more clear: none of those 5 wars would've occured if the "other side" was a superpower with high tech weapons (the Korean and Viet era China was far from today, and Soviet was only a very remote participant in those wars).

History shows: if you're a little guy with no serious defence, a major power will pick on you using some bull**** "human rights", "political instability", or other excuse, for their benefit. This has been the case since the Roman and other ancient empires, to the more modern British Empire, Hitler, USSR, and unfortunately, USA.
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No one is touching the F22 (in terms of air to air engagement) for a long time I don't think (not even the F35) but the SU-37 and J-XX, Eurofighter, are the natural contenders.
I agree; the F22 is the ONLY proven stealth fighter.

But more importantly, the day the world has to find out (SU, J20, Euro vs F22), that'll be doomsday.
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I agree; the F22 is the ONLY proven stealth fighter.

But more importantly, the day the world has to find out (SU, J20, Euro vs F22), that'll be doomsday.
Like an earlier poster pointed out, they are really just developed, engineered, built, and maintained for the purpose of a deterrent, and leverage, when necessary. With all these governments made up of vast talent pools and resources, they have the tools to play out scenarios and come to a conclusion like "Mr. President, there's a 99.21% likelihood that our country will be blown back to the stone age with the enemy sustaining only a small loss of life in the [enemy's closest military base]. Based on this, we have to allow the IAEA inspectors in and reduce oil prices. They have very big guns, sir, and they are aimed at us right now."
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That is right,the F-22 is right now the only operational air Dominance Stealthfighter,many things from the F-22 are secret,so i guess we have to see some kind of comparison between the Chinese Fighter and the F-22.
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post #28 of 130
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That is right,the F-22 is right now the only operational air Dominance Stealthfighter,many things from the F-22 are secret,so i guess we have to see some kind of comparison between the Chinese Fighter and the F-22.
I remember seeing on at either defensetech or dodbuzz had a story that was almost that to a "t" I thought the article had PAF KA and F-22 in the title but cannot seem to find it.

What I did find though as one of the top results was 2 stories about an F22 in Alaska. The first one said it had disappeared during a routine traffic flight, the second was about how they'd found f22 wreckage in alaska but no pilot. Remember the Bud Ice penguin? doo bee doobeedoo

Plus this is a SICK video: http://defensetech.org/2011/01/11/vi...a-ride-on-747/

Found the comparison article: http://defensetech.org/2010/06/18/pu...n-f-22-raptor/
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so i guess we have to see some kind of comparison between the Chinese Fighter and the F-22.
Any comparison at this point will be pure speculation. It will be a long time before the Chinese put any stealth fighter in service.

The thing is, no one knows what the tricks the others have up their sleeves. A war is rarely an even, clean, ring match like MMA. Rather, it's a dirty street fight. One may have the most advanced muscle structure an grappling techniques, but the other might pull out a pocket knife while under a submission hold...

A crude example:

Imagine every communication and GPS satellite gets knocked down at the start of a war. So much for all the advanced tracking systems; everyone is back to square one and has to pull out their radar and AEW&C.
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Imagine every communication and GPS satellite gets knocked down at the start of a war. So much for all the advanced tracking systems; everyone is back to square one and has to pull out their radar and AEW&C.
That's why they call it a fire sale. EVERYTHING MUST GO!
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