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They obviously leaked the pics for the e-peen.
   
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Life is cheap in China even today (in every communist country life is/was cheap USSR/Yugoslavia/China)...

Chinese peasant lives out of a bowl of rice a day...US peasant doesn't...a big difference...

In the case of a hypothetical war between US and China...the US citizens will suffer more...way more...after all that Chinese peasant will still live out of the bowl a rice per day...the US counterpart will have big problems living without McDonallds, Burger King, good cars and homes...etc...

I think you get my point.
China doesn't even have to go to war to screw the US: they just stop buying debt and the country will collapse itself soon. We DEPEND total and absolutely on China, and we would have to change the way the economy works if we can't rely on debt (that needs to be bought by foreign countries...and there aren't many of them that can, actually).


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True, but I think the economics are more a interest of the private sector, and not the Chinese government. Same can be said about VW and GM plants in China, I wouldn't call it German and American control.

I agree with you though, we're seeing another turning point in history. The future will be interesting, hopefully for the better and not worse. One thing I'll stand firm on, in this age of Global Economy, we cannot afford any large scale war.
In China all economic movements are controlled by the Gvt. So, they control and modify their economy at will (something western countries can't do for obvious reasons). Also, keep in mind that companies take loans from banks to invest and those banks take money from the General Bank (Federal Bank in the US), and the Feds take money from China. You screw up China and nobody has money anymore, welcome to a different world
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This is only a prototype the Lockheed Martin F-22 is already in service and probably far superior. Chinese military aerospace technology is about 20 years behind the US.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...china/j-xx.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...craft/f-22.htm

The F-22 and F-35 will probably be the last generation of US manned fighters. The next generation will probably be UCAVs (unmanned combat aerial vehicles).
Edited by Ding Chavez - 1/28/11 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by Ding Chavez View Post
This is only a prototype the Lockheed Martin F-22 is already in service and probably far superior. Chinese military aerospace technology is about 20 years behind the US.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...china/j-xx.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...craft/f-22.htm

The F-22 and F-35 will probably be the last generation of US manned fighters. The next generation will probably be UCAVs (unmanned combat aerial vehicles).
What's naive is well informed citizens thinking they know a county's military capabilities when the US is unsure themselves.
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Read carefully those 2 articles I linked if you're interested in military aviation. Since you obviously haven't read them and don't know what I'm talking about I assume you're not. The comments I made are not surprising or original.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...0104-cna01.htm

The fact of the matter is the Chinese simply don't have the technology, experience, technical expertise or fast jet design and building history to suddenly make a jet as good as the F-22. That's why their first flight of a 4th generation stealth fighter is in 2011 when the US had their first flight of a 5th generation stealth fighter in 1990. The projected service entry for this jet is 2017-2019 and it may never see active service. The US is having serious problems with the F-35 which illustrates just how difficult it is to get a prototype to the full combat capability active service stage. Most military analysts would agree with these basic facts. As you can probably tell I know a fair bit about fast jets and military hardware, there really aren't that many secrets. The F-22 avionics and radar are highly classified and have advanced capabilities the Chinese can only dream of. Unless they steal the technology like they try to do with everything else. Further advances in radar technology could make stealthy airframes like the F-22 not so stealthy by 2017 so this Chinese jet could be obsolete before it even enters service. It's highly unlikely China and the US would ever be at war so all this really is purely academic.
Edited by Ding Chavez - 1/28/11 at 11:48pm
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Looks like an F22.... and from what I heard there was classified informtion on the F22 that was stolen a little while ago.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ding Chavez View Post
Read carefully those 2 articles I linked if you're interested in military aviation. Since you obviously haven't read them and don't know what I'm talking about I assume you're not. The comments I made are not surprising or original.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...0104-cna01.htm

The fact of the matter is the Chinese simply don't have the technology, experience, technical expertise or fast jet design and building history to suddenly make a jet as good as the F-22. That's why their first flight of a 4th generation stealth fighter is in 2011 when the US had their first flight of a 5th generation stealth fighter in 1990. The projected service entry for this jet is 2017-2019 and it may never see active service. The US is having serious problems with the F-35 which illustrates just how difficult it is to get a prototype to the full combat capability active service stage. Most military analysts would agree with these basic facts. As you can probably tell I know a fair bit about fast jets and military hardware, there really aren't that many secrets. The F-22 avionics and radar are highly classified and have advanced capabilities the Chinese can only dream of. Unless they steal the technology like they try to do with everything else. Further advances in radar technology could make stealthy airframes like the F-22 not so stealthy by 2017 so this Chinese jet could be obsolete before it even enters service. It's highly unlikely China and the US would ever be at war so all this really is purely academic.
Just so you know, the J-20 and F22 is considered the same gen. The West calls them 4th gen, and East calls them 5th gen.

BTW, I'm sure we had the same doubts about the Chinese's ability to build nuclear weapons in the 50's... (and their space program, and their ICBMs, and their you name it)
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That's very interesting but you got it around the wrong way East 4th gen West 5th gen. I called it 4th gen because that's what the Chinese general said it was. The Pentagon has said that it is premature to call the J-20 a stealth fighter or to judge if it has any other fifth generation characteristics. It's actually more gen 4.5 as it has canards which are very unstealthy. Very little is known about this Chinese jet but I really don't think it will be anywhere near as good as the F-22, do you?
Experts have already stated the airframe design isn't very stealthy, not like the F-22. It is bigger than the F-22 so probably will have a lower thrust to weight ratio. Personally I think it will be a piece of junk considering China's previous attempts at building fast jets. The US is projected to have military superiority over China for the foreseeable future. The Pentagon said that not me so argue with them.
Having said that though the Chinese military build up is quite disturbing.
Edited by Ding Chavez - 1/29/11 at 7:43am
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The projected service entry for this jet is 2017-2019 and it may never see active service.
This was the only interesting bit in that post, "may never see active service", no because the Chinese don't tend to go around the world bombing indiscriminately


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The US is projected to have military superiority over China for the foreseeable future.
In the words of Jim Morrison "they've got the guns, but we've got the numbers". 'They' isn't the Chinese.


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Having said that though the Chinese military build up is quite disturbing.
Whilst the US one isn't!?


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BTW, I'm sure we had the same doubts about the Chinese's ability to build nuclear weapons in the 50's... (and their space program, and their ICBMs, and their you name it)
There was an interesting discussion on the radio two days ago about future space flight. They were basically saying that the US government is no longer going to invest in future projects, such as a manned flight to Mars, and that the expense would have to be met by private investors. This lead to the question that would any future project actually come to fruition. This is at the same time as China and India are progressing in their space endeavors. With the huge projected growth in these countries economies and disposable wealth, it's estimated that they will dominate the space race in the next 30 or so years, leaving the US and USSR far behind in what could be a lucrative field.
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has anyone here known this yet ?

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Xinwen lianbo, or News Broadcast, on China Central Television, comes under fire again for its report of an air force training exercise on January 23. In the newscast, the way a target was hit by the air-to-air missile fired by a J-10 fighter aircraft and exploded looks almost identical to a cinema scene from the Hollywood film Top Gun.
A net user who went by the name “刘毅†(Liu Yi) pointed out that the jet that the J-10 “hit†is an F-5, a US fighter jet. In Top Gun, what the leading actor Tom Cruise pilots an F-14 to bring down is exactly an F-5. Looking at the screenshots juxtaposition, one cannot fail to find that even flame, smoke and the way the splinters fly look the same.
On the left are screenshots of CCTV News; on the right are screenshots of Top Gun.









http://blog.minitofu.com/2011/01/cct...hter-jet-news/
    
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