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Some people get bored, others just do it because they WANT too. But yeah helping research these things should also give you a good feeling that you are helping people(or atleast trying). But some people do think they are great because they do it and thats just sad. But in the end lots of people use it because not much uses the true power of a PC, besides Benchmarking so they Fold. smile.gif

Just my 1 cent. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs;11959696 
How many cancer patients own a microwave, cellphone, or car. How many live near microwave antennas, toxic dumps and industrial pollution ? How many have a meat/GMO base diet ? Why don't we ever hear these numbers ?

Because 100% of people who have cancer own those things. If a report was released that said this, every idiot in the country would come to illogical conclusions about the CORRELATIONAL evidence that really has nothing to do with the causes of cancer. We DO hear those number, usually they are presented by crackpots in tinfoil hats with completely fubar data collection practices who are trying to prove a point instead of doing a real study.

How many people who have cancer live in a house!? How many people who have died have used a spoken language? This does not mean we should all start speaking in sign language and live in the woods.

A little basic logic goes a longgggg way.
    
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Originally Posted by Magikherbs;11959696 
How many cancer patients own a microwave, cellphone, or car. How many live near microwave antennas, toxic dumps and industrial pollution ? How many have a meat/GMO base diet ? Why don't we ever hear these numbers ?

Funny how we have no probs finding better ways to destroy and/or poison ourselves and the environment.

Peace

The environment in which we live is not always something we can control. Even excessive exposure to the sun, which some may argue is unavoidable, can be cancerous. Reduction and mitigation are certainly possible via behavioral changes, but for those things behavior can't fix, a cure is required. Don't be such a douchebag. If you don't want to fold, don't.
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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek;11961249 
Because 100% of people who have cancer own those things. If a report was released that said this, every idiot in the country would come to illogical conclusions about the CORRELATIONAL evidence that really has nothing to do with the causes of cancer. We DO hear those number, usually they are presented by crackpots in tinfoil hats with completely fubar data collection practices who are trying to prove a point instead of doing a real study.

How many people who have cancer live in a house!? How many people who have died have used a spoken language? This does not mean we should all start speaking in sign language and live in the woods.

A little basic logic goes a longgggg way.

Sadly this thread is lacking quite a bit of it...
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Originally Posted by Magikherbs;11952139 
Just b/c someone has a different opinion, it does not make me/them 'ignorant scumbags'. Your behaviour is typical of a religious fanatic, and for that, I believe you owe us an apology.
(...)
Spending $500 on organic food and a mountain bike will do alot more to help lower cancer rates, than buying a Gpu will. Hands down !
First of all, I'm atheist so back off with your insults. be civilised. Second of all, I know that lifestyle has a huge impact on diseases, but I use my gpu for gaming, might as well fold when it is idle. Get it? wink.gif

And yeah, having a different opinion is entirely okay. But stating that F@H doesn't help anything, when proof shows that it does, is not.

All in all, I think it is more you that owes me an apology for being rude, rather than the other way around. smile.gif
Also apology to the whole thread for derailing it. tongue.gif
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haha, if you read the first 5 posts, than the last 5 posts you really start to wonder what went down in between.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r31ncarnat3d;11960360 
Does not see the relation between this and my post.

If we focused just a tiny bit of our computational power and answered those questions, what do you think the graph would look like ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek;11961249 
Because 100% of people who have cancer own those things. If a report was released that said this, every idiot in the country would come to illogical conclusions about the CORRELATIONAL evidence that really has nothing to do with the causes of cancer. We DO hear those number, usually they are presented by crackpots in tinfoil hats with completely fubar data collection practices who are trying to prove a point instead of doing a real study.

How many people who have cancer live in a house!? How many people who have died have used a spoken language? This does not mean we should all start speaking in sign language and live in the woods.

A little basic logic goes a longgggg way.

If you resort to name calling again. You will be ignored.

What do you have against preventative medicine?
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Originally Posted by Dyslexyc;11961513 
The environment in which we live is not always something we can control. Even excessive exposure to the sun, which some may argue is unavoidable, can be cancerous. Reduction and mitigation are certainly possible via behavioral changes, but for those things behavior can't fix, a cure is required. Don't be such a douchebag. If you don't want to fold, don't.

If you resort to name calling again. You will be ignored.
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Originally Posted by ScurK;11962673 
First of all, I'm atheist so back off with your insults. be civilised. Second of all, I know that lifestyle has a huge impact on diseases, but I use my gpu for gaming, might as well fold when it is idle. Get it? wink.gif

And yeah, having a different opinion is entirely okay. But stating that F@H doesn't help anything, when proof shows that it does, is not.

All in all, I think it is more you that owes me an apology for being rude, rather than the other way around. smile.gif
Also apology to the whole thread for derailing it. tongue.gif

If you resort to name calling again. You will be ignored.

I never said you were christian. Go and re-read.
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"Just b/c someone has a different opinion, it does not make me/them 'ignorant scumbags'. Your behaviour is typical of a religious fanatic, and for that, I believe you owe us an apology."
Edited by Magikherbs - 1/11/11 at 2:22pm
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My dad was driven to nothing by cancer, and if there's any possible way I can make even a tiny difference, I'm gonna do it. No questions asked. Folding@home is FREE, does NOT degrade components as long as their cared for, and is the only way the average Joe can feel like their making a difference.

Folding is a no-brainer for me. Even though I max out at 5,200 PPD tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek;11961249 
Because 100% of people who have cancer own those things. If a report was released that said this, every idiot in the country would come to illogical conclusions about the CORRELATIONAL evidence that really has nothing to do with the causes of cancer. We DO hear those number, usually they are presented by crackpots in tinfoil hats with completely fubar data collection practices who are trying to prove a point instead of doing a real study.

How many people who have cancer live in a house!? How many people who have died have used a spoken language? This does not mean we should all start speaking in sign language and live in the woods.

A little basic logic goes a longgggg way.

Agreed. Correlation does not equal causation. I wish newspapers and news shows would get this through their skulls. However, correlation studies do make great sensational headlines...
    
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Originally Posted by Epitope;11974592 
Agreed. Correlation does not equal causation. I wish newspapers and news shows would get this through their skulls. However, correlation studies do make great sensational headlines...

I wish the people believing everything in the news would get that through their skulls as well.

It would be fun though. If you die in a car crash, you won't die from cancer. Therefore, car crashes are 100% effective at preventing death from cancer. I wonder what the world would look like the following days after that report!

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs;11974457 
If we focused just a tiny bit of our computational power and answered those questions, what do you think the graph would look like ?

Do you mind explaining then how we go from this:

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Originally Posted by r31ncarnat3d;11952521 
How so? Protein folding is an integral yet very little understood part of molecular biology. Every organism depends on proteins to survive and yet we practically do not have any existing models of the protein folding itself. It's a highly complex interaction of hydrophobic, hydrophilic, and electron charge-based interactions and isn't as simple as most people would like to believe. Then there's the fact that many diseases affecting primarily elders, including Alzheimers and Parkinson's, as well as genetic diseases like Huntington's, are all affected by misfolding proteins. Even as little as one misfolded protein is enough to cause aggregates to form and cause correctly-folded proteins to be misfolded, leading to the crippling diseases you see.

A model of protein folding could help us better understand folding and from there, help us figure out a cure where we could "chaperone" misfolded proteins into their proper conformations or even learn how to prevent misfolding from occurring, esp in those with a genetic disposition to do so.

It's an extremely subtle science, but anyone in biomedical research or molecular/cellular biology will tell you this is an astounding step forward. Many people, esp those outside the upper echelons of biology won't understand the significance of Folding @ Home but that's not to say that the significance isn't there.

to this?

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs;11959696 
How many cancer patients own a microwave, cellphone, or car. How many live near microwave antennas, toxic dumps and industrial pollution ? How many have a meat/GMO base diet ? Why don't we ever hear these numbers ?

The point of your post is about harmful behavioral/man made constructs that damage our health and possibly mutate our DNA. This has nothing to do with the F@H project of studying protein folding. The F@H project aims to study folding at the post-translation level, whereas all your concerns are pre-transcription and aren't even covered within the scope of this project.
Edited by r31ncarnat3d - 1/11/11 at 3:23pm
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