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As I was reading the preposterous info in "Warning: Sandy Bridge contains hardware level DRM Handicap and Killswitch!" threat by BigCactus, I wished to clarify the Intel Killswitch and Insider technologies so that people get real info and then decide what they think about these (not the other way around which seemed to be the trend in that thread).

Update: New info from Intel Customer Service (see end of post).

Intel Killswitch (This feature is only available in some commercial laptop processors) - Contact your laptop manufacturer for more information #

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[This is basically a] remote switch [that] can disable the Intel Sandy Bridge processor if it is ever lost or stolen.
So unless someone is a computer thief and does that for a living, this should not affect anyone at all.

Intel simply offers this to any SB owner as a protection in case their PC gets stolen. It is also worth mentioning that the "Killswitch" does not kill your processor but only disables it. It can easily be reversed, so basically, it is an added level of protection for everyone.

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[The reason for the addition of this feature] was that laptop theft costs $5.4 billion each year for U.S, businesses. This equals some 12,000 laptops disappearing every week from U.S. airports and a laptop being stolen every 53 seconds.
I don't know why anyone would not like this added feature whose sole purpose is to protect your processor and thus your investment.

Intel Insider (This feature will be available only if your motherboard supports the Intel HD graphics and when using this feature you are using your Intel processor's Integrated Graphics) Requires a H67 motherboard ##

This feature does not affect any of the files of your computer. It is simply there to allow hardware protected streaming of specific data to your computer.

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Intel Insider technology ... [is] a way of convincing Hollywood to release films sooner and in high definition without worrying about piracy — it would mean that only those who use Intel's very latest Sandy Bridge CPUs would be able to stream movies.
Intel Insider will not even remotely affect anything else, so all you Pirates can feel safe ripping thousands of HD movies/DVDs/BluRays/games since Intel Insider is only used when streaming videos from specific locations that require it.

Here's Intel's own clarification on this technology and its purpose;
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There seem to be a some people commenting who disagree with the very premise of DRM and content protection on a philosophical level. Those those people I say that there is no way this technology is being forced upon you - if you don’t want to use the Insider feature, there is no need to, just avoid the services that use it. It does not affect your own personal content in any way.
So basically, all of us movie aficionados can hope for sooner releases of DVDs, while people who would not use this new technology will have to wait for good ol' DVD and BluRay releases (which will probably be scheduled later than these "Intel Insider" releases).

And all that Intel Insider does is allow for a new service that was never here before and will not affect anything else or any other file.

ONCE AGAIN, Intel Insider is only used with "CinemaNow," "WBShop" (and perhaps more similar programs to come), it does not have any other uses and does not intervene with any other data on your PC.

Here's Intel's 2nd update on the Insider technology;

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Intel Insider will not stop you from playing, manipulating or ripping optical media such as a DVD or Blu-ray disk (but those technologies have separate existing safeguards). Intel Insider does not affect P2P services.
Discussion with Intel Customer Service:

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Allan: Hello. Thank you for using the Intel Customer Support chat service. We are glad to be of service. How can I help you today?
Born2bwild: Hello, I want to buy a new Intel i7 processor of the 2nd generation...
Allan: yes
Born2bwild: and I was wondering which model incorporate the Killswitch?
Allan: Please wait for 2 minutes and I will check your concern. Thank you.
Born2bwild: Of course.
Allan: Thanks for waiting
Allan: if this is a desktop processor, then there is no anti-thief technology for the moment, only the mobile processor will come with that feature
Born2bwild: Okay.
Allan: you also need to check the specifications for the computer itself as this features may come blocked by the system manufacturer.
Born2bwild: Okay. Thank you for your time.
Allan: you're welcome.
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Victor: Hello. Thank you for using the Intel Customer Support chat service. We are glad to be of service. How can I help you today?
Born2bwild: Hello
Born2bwild: I have read Intel's site about the Insider feature, and there seems to be no distinct clarification of the issue.
Born2bwild: If I want to assemble a system myself, with a new i7 (2nd gen processor) - I will not use the Intel HD integrated graphics - will I be able to use Insider when it becomes available?
Victor: The Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 Processors don't have an integrated graphics controller so you always need to use a video card.
Born2bwild: Well I am referring to the 2nd generation of i7s (such as the i7 2600k)
Victor: You will be required to use the on board graphics to use this feature.
Born2bwild: So in the case of an i7 2600k (in a motherboard that will not support the Intel HD graphics) with a discrete graphics card this feature will be unavailable?
Victor: correct.
Born2bwild: Okay. Thank you for your time.
[Note: I'm not actually upgrading to SB... I'm quite happy with my current i7.]

Main source; http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375215,00.asp
and; http://blogs.intel.com/technology/20...(intel+insider)
and; http://www.legionhardware.com/articl..._bridge,2.html
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This needs to be stickyed to the top lol.
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Thanks, I'll be sure to let the other Intel shareholders know. And by the way, don't say it's "DRM." We call it security technology.

Some other Useful Info from the other thread here:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...are-level.html

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Originally Posted by BigCactus View Post
I don't like this. I may just keep my 950 after all. Maybe the 950, 920, 980x, etc. are the last good chips without some kind of weird hardware level DRM inside?

http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/71568.html

http://www.dshield.org/diary.html?storyid=10111

Some interesting Facts!

1) Sandy Bridge's killswitch works even without the PC being powered on (over a 3G network)! All future Intel CPU's will be equipped with one.(Your chip could theoretically be compromised and turned off by a would be attacker, though unlikely)

2) Killswitch renders the cpu useless.

3) The new Sandy Bridge have DRM built inside the chip. It cannot be removed through software. As long as you have a Sandy Bridge CPU, you automatically have DRM that can't be removed.

4) DRM is an acronym for Digital Rights Management, a broad term used to describe a number of techniques for restricting the free use and transfer of digital content. DRM is used in a number of media, but is most commonly found in video and music files.

5) Many PC enthusiasts dislike DRM due to the problems associated in the past with software DRM. Many reports of issues with DRM in games, etc. have been reported, and the majority of consumers dislike it.

6) There is a debate about the KillSwitch and some security vulnerabilities. Taken from the 2nd link: "Definitely, this new feature is something to pay attention to, as potential vulnerabilities in the implementation can open the door to new remote attacks, starting with DoS."
Just to be informative. I myself believe the performance of SB chips out weigh these possible nuisances myself. But it's something that people should be aware of I believe.
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Thanks, I'll be sure to let the other Intel shareholders know. And by the way, don't say it's "DRM." We call it security technology.
It can be qualified as DRM (though more appropriately as Content Protection ) but it certainly does not interfere with other DRM files (whether be games or movies in your system). It's just there to allow streaming of ultra-secure content (to encourage publishers to make earlier releases and stream HD content without fear of losing security), not to spy on your computer and shut down your PC if you have pirated material (as you made it sound in your post).

Also, I do not own Intel stock or work for Intel. Computer hardware is just a hobby of mine. That's all. And, I dislike the spread of overly biased or wrong information.
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That's what many people misconceive. The Intel Insider content protection does not limit anything which already exists, it gives you access to something new albeit being protected.
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So if I bought a used processor off of Ebay or Craigslist, a few months from now the original owner could decide to screw me over by having the processor disabled? I see this as more of a headache than something I'd actually want.
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This needs to be stickyed to the top lol.
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I'll sticky it for awhile until this becomes common knowledge.
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It can be qualified as DRM (though more appropriately as Content Protection ) but it certainly does not interfere with other DRM files (whether be games or movies in your system). It's just there to allow streaming of ultra-secure content (to encourage publishers to make earlier releases and stream HD content without fear of losing security), not to spy on your computer and shut down your PC if you have pirated material (as you made it sound in your post).

Also, I do not own Intel stock or work for Intel. Computer hardware is just a hobby of mine. That's all. And, I dislike the spread of overly biased or wrong information.
Well then be prepared for more DRM restrictions built into your hardware in the future since you don't mind it and embrace it. Vote with your money I say. I will personally enjoy my drm/killswitch free intel i5-520m dual core w/HT.

What should bother you is Intel didn't give you a choice. You should at least be able to chose a SB chip version without the killswitch or DRM features. Give me a break, how many people plan to use Intel's streaming service? How many people plan to use the Killswitch? You should be able to buy a version without the Killswitch/DRM.
    
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Well then be prepared for more DRM restrictions built into your hardware in the future since you don't mind it and embrace it. Vote with your money I say. I will personally enjoy my drm/killswitch free intel i5-520m dual core w/HT.

What should bother you is Intel didn't give you a choice. You should at least be able to chose a SB chip version without the killswitch or DRM features. Give me a break, how many people plan to use Intel's streaming service? How many people plan to use the Killswitch? You should be able to buy a version without the Killswitch/DRM.
You do realize that Intel is a corporation whose sole goal is to make the most profit it can. It will never use the killswitch/Insider as the way you made it sound (to turn off your CPU if you do not use it "legally") because if it does, many would not buy their processors to protect their privacy (myself included) and it will lose billions of dollars as consumers boycott the product. So Intel would never do that. Besides, it will be probably deemed unconstitutional since it infringes on the right to privacy.

Also Intel itself has clarified many times what the purpose of these two features are. And they are not for stopping your CPU if you pirate. I don't know why you would want people to think that.
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Apple Magic Keyboard Apple Magic Trackpad 2, Razer Deathadder 2013 Bose Companion 2 Series iii 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 970 @ 4.4 Ghz Asus P6X58D-E EVGA GTX 680 SLI @ 1200Mhz 12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz 
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Samsung 840 Pro SSD 2 * 1TB WD Black 5 * 2TB Hitachi LaCie 1TB External HDD 
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LG BD Combo Corsair H70 Windows 8 64-bit HP ZR30W (2560*1600) 
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Logitech 920-000914 OCZ ZX 1250W CM 690 II Advanced Logitech G500 
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Razer Goliathus Audez'e LCD-2 Schiit Lyr + NuForce HD DAC Blue Yeti Microphone 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Logitech G35 Altec Lansing 2.0 7 Scythe Ultra Kaze fans @ 3000rpm Scythe Kaze Fan controller 
Other
Logitech C900 Webcam 
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Intel Core i5-6360U 1536MB Iris Graphics 540 8GB RAM 256GB SSD 
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Mac OS X 2560-by-1600 resolution IPS display 
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i7 6700K Custom Apple Motherboard AMD Radeon R9 M395X 4GB 16GB 1867Mhz DDR3 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
3TB Apple Fusion Drive 4TB WD Elements External Drive Mac OS X 5120‑by‑2880, 10-bit IPS 
KeyboardMouseAudio
Apple Magic Keyboard Apple Magic Trackpad 2, Razer Deathadder 2013 Bose Companion 2 Series iii 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 970 @ 4.4 Ghz Asus P6X58D-E EVGA GTX 680 SLI @ 1200Mhz 12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Pro SSD 2 * 1TB WD Black 5 * 2TB Hitachi LaCie 1TB External HDD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG BD Combo Corsair H70 Windows 8 64-bit HP ZR30W (2560*1600) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech 920-000914 OCZ ZX 1250W CM 690 II Advanced Logitech G500 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Goliathus Audez'e LCD-2 Schiit Lyr + NuForce HD DAC Blue Yeti Microphone 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Logitech G35 Altec Lansing 2.0 7 Scythe Ultra Kaze fans @ 3000rpm Scythe Kaze Fan controller 
Other
Logitech C900 Webcam 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5-6360U 1536MB Iris Graphics 540 8GB RAM 256GB SSD 
OSMonitor
Mac OS X 2560-by-1600 resolution IPS display 
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