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I have a vague understanding? My company supports vPro infrastructure and I use it on everyday basis. When my work PC has troubles, IT guys can easily assess my PC through remote access via vPro. It seems you're the only one who has no idea what they are talking about. Only way to activate this kill switch is with Intel vPro processors that come with 3G hardware as well as with special chipset and BIOS support, as well as your company/firm supporting vPro. vPro has been around for a while, with remote management features, maintenance, operations, servicing etc etc. There has never been big problems with vPro and other remote access management infrastructures by Cisco Networks and others.

If you lose your laptop you can't just contact Intel to shut down your PC. Your company needs to support vPro, and the laptop you have needs to have a 3G vPro certified card and then your company is the only one that can activate the kill switch.

The ignorance on this board is very high.

BigCactus you are the one that's ignorant. After you get out of your mom's basement and start working maybe you'll understand how stupid you sound now.

It is you who are ignorant and classless I might add for the 4th grade name calling and insults. And I wouldn't be surprised if your company is based in your mom's basement.

But seriously....as I said, vulnerabilities have been found with vPro. And yes, I already stated that these vulnerabilities of the kill switch feature do not concern the majority of people using Sandy bridge processors. I've said this billions of times. It's the DRM issue that is of most concern, as it is a bridge for more hardware DRM implementation by Intel in the future. For those who oppose DRM should probably vote with their wallets, and simply not buy SB, and wait for Ivy Bridge and Bulldozer that possibly won't implement any DRM or killswitch feature...hopefully....
    
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It is you who are ignorant and classless I might add for the 4th grade name calling and insults. And I wouldn't be surprised if your company is based in your mom's basement.

But seriously....as I said, vulnerabilities have been found with vPro. And yes, I already stated that these vulnerabilities of the kill switch feature do not concern the majority of people using Sandy bridge processors. I've said this billions of times. It's the DRM issue that is of most concern, as it is a bridge for more hardware DRM implementation by Intel in the future. For those who oppose DRM should probably vote with their wallets, and simply not buy SB, and wait for Ivy Bridge and Bulldozer that possibly won't implement any DRM or killswitch feature...hopefully....

First of all, as I have repeatedly said (and you have repeatedly ignored me), the Intel Insider will not affect any files on your PC, and it simply provides the ability to watch secure streamed data.

Second, high-end Ivy Bridge CPUs will not have Insider since it requires Integrated Graphics (present in low-end and mainstream chips (Sandy Bridge is mainstream)) which is not present in high-end CPUs. So you have nothing to worry about.

As for content protection, like Insider, nVidia has already similar features in its chips, and AMD will also soon incorporate it. So tough luck finding a new processor/graphics card in the next few years since you'll be boycotting Intel, nVidia and AMD, just for having content protection on SOME of their chips.
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It is you who are ignorant and classless I might add for the 4th grade name calling and insults. And I wouldn't be surprised if your company is based in your mom's basement.

But seriously....as I said, vulnerabilities have been found with vPro. And yes, I already stated that these vulnerabilities of the kill switch feature do not concern the majority of people using Sandy bridge processors. I've said this billions of times. It's the DRM issue that is of most concern, as it is a bridge for more hardware DRM implementation by Intel in the future. For those who oppose DRM should probably vote with their wallets, and simply not buy SB, and wait for Ivy Bridge and Bulldozer that possibly won't implement any DRM or killswitch feature...hopefully....

http://www.overclock.net/images/smilies/mad.gif BigCactus was your spreading misinformation in 1 thread bad enough? I am guessing not since you are continuing to spread misinformation. The DRM is for video streaming from Intel, PERIOD. So you can continue your pirating, which you have made obvious that you do.

The killswitch will more than likely be on non-K models as it would make no sense to put a K-model on a laptop. HENCE why only LAPTOP models will have the option to it turn on. Granted you could always buy the processor and throw it into a desktop, but the second you put a video card in it disables the feature.

It's a shame OCN doesn't allow people to have -reps. Lucky for you I guess since you'd probably be at -100-200 by now.

Your quoting things from SANS and portraying your a Security Professional, when every Security Professional I know (including myself) would do their due diligence (meaning including things like this will not affect x, this will affect y) before spreading misinformation. If you were spreading information unbiased in any other medium you would be held liable.
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http://www.overclock.net/images/smilies/mad.gif BigCactus was your spreading misinformation in 1 thread bad enough? I am guessing not since you are continuing to spread misinformation. The DRM is for video streaming from Intel, PERIOD. So you can continue your pirating, which you have made obvious that you do.

The killswitch will more than likely be on non-K models as it would make no sense to put a K-model on a laptop. HENCE why only LAPTOP models will have the option to it turn on. Granted you could always buy the processor and throw it into a desktop, but the second you put a video card in it disables the feature.

It's a shame OCN doesn't allow people to have -reps. Lucky for you I guess since you'd probably be at -100-200 by now.

Your quoting things from SANS and portraying your a Security Professional, when every Security Professional I know (including myself) would do their due diligence (meaning including things like this will not affect x, this will affect y) before spreading misinformation. If you were spreading information unbiased in any other medium you would be held liable.

Well said! I'm SO tired of seeing retardery running rampant. I also second the -rep idea as some of the completely false statements that are spoken as if they are the word of god is not only irritating to those who know better it causes those who don't to make a choice they might not otherwise make.

This is only the second time I've heard of killswitch I looked up a video of an intel commercial showing this feature: A thief steals a laptop the owner sees it missing calls it in stolen. Cut to the thief trying to power on the laptop only to see a black screen with text saying something along the lines of "This laptop has been reported stolen and is now disabled"

As for Intel Insider I've never heard of it but after 2 minutes of research (ok google search) it is completely obvious even to a limbless mongoloid rodent that this ONLY pertains to STREAMING VIDEO from a source that uses Intel Insider.

Seeing such idiocy as "Killswitch will render your cpu useless" just makes me angry.... LOOK IT UP it is only DISABLED and can be re-enabled once the owner has recovered their property
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Well said! I'm SO tired of seeing retardery running rampant. I also second the -rep idea as some of the completely false statements that are spoken as if they are the word of god is not only irritating to those who know better it causes those who don't to make a choice they might not otherwise make.

This is only the second time I've heard of killswitch I looked up a video of an intel commercial showing this feature: A thief steals a laptop the owner sees it missing calls it in stolen. Cut to the thief trying to power on the laptop only to see a black screen with text saying something along the lines of "This laptop has been reported stolen and is now disabled"

As for Intel Insider I've never heard of it but after 2 minutes of research (ok google search) it is completely obvious even to a limbless mongoloid rodent that this ONLY pertains to STREAMING VIDEO from a source that uses Intel Insider.

Seeing such idiocy as "Killswitch will render your cpu useless" just makes me angry.... LOOK IT UP it is only DISABLED and can be re-enabled once the owner has recovered their property

Yeah, I agree.... it sounds completely illogical. But what I hate even more than the Killswitch nonsense, is their idea that Sandy Bridge is "DRM" infested, and that if Intel catches you illegally obtaining data, they will... and hold on, listen to this asinine comment... shut down your PC for it. lachen.gif

It really is unbelievable how far Intel haters are going to go to try to explain themselves not getting these perfectly good processors.
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Sounds like a really awesome anti-theft device for laptops.....

That is till some anonymous loser decides he wants to make malicious code to activate it on the real owner of the laptop... frown.gif

*sigh* Hindsight should teach people where NOT to go and what mistakes NOT to make..
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Curious this 'killswitch' I mean in usability sense. I just checked on Intel website how they introduce this as 'she got all the sensible information and now she called the tech support' and then the laptop goes blanks doesn't power up. To this point this is ok, but..

How exactly does this prevent the data loss. I mean I've seen a lot of hardware and that thing would have to have automated hard drive cryption system to even be able to work. Yes, no matter do you change the hard drive to current system, but put it to next one and open it up with low level tools.

Also, I think people believe's are pretty good on the concept of breaking this thing. Consider an airport/public places everyone wants to use this technology on laptops. Keygen dropped to this 'Anti-Theft'-system shutting down every machine it can reach would be pretty curious concept. There's no such thing as unbreakable. (extra note: would be pretty hilarious see all business peons run like chicken to nearest phones ;P)

I doubt this DRM thing does much as it wouldn't be this public, if it would. ;P
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While I like the idea of the technology did anyone consider that this isn't really going to help out the consumer since the laptop was "stolen" and this only prevents sensitive data from being extracted from that machine... just as easy to rip out the hard drive and get the sensitive data from there...

Plus the fact this doesn't help you the consumer get your laptop back. It is gone... and the thief isn't going to be like.. sorry it stopped working here you go...
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While I like the idea of the technology did anyone consider that this isn't really going to help out the consumer since the laptop was "stolen" and this only prevents sensitive data from being extracted from that machine... just as easy to rip out the hard drive and get the sensitive data from there...

Plus the fact this doesn't help you the consumer get your laptop back. It is gone... and the thief isn't going to be like.. sorry it stopped working here you go...

Actually, with these (vPro) technologies, data encryption codes are stored on the processor and not on the hard drive, and so if your laptop is stolen, and the processor is disabled, it is impossible to decrypt your HDD.

Also; yes, it probably won't give your laptop back, but the thief will have some trouble selling the broken laptop. I'm sure if he tries to go to PC repair shops, they will notice that the CPU has been disabled, and that the laptop was stolen. And so, stealing laptops is much less rewarding financially, and the data on them is secured better.

I see no downside.
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