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After reading all this information, I have to say that the OP shared some good information. But in BigCactus' defense, do not just gang up on him and call him names because he shared his concern. Every bit of information, suggestion, opinion is for us to take and give some thought on our own to agree or disagree.
I can see this feature being a really good thing for corporations or other business/academic institution. But for my personal laptop, I think I will just do without it. I do not pirate movies or music nor carry any objectional material in my laptop, and I am patient enough to wait for new movies to come out. Until the option is there, I think I will chose my personal freedom over giving intel the option of turning my computer off. This is just my opinion.
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After reading all this, I wanted to say "WHO CARES!?"

Overclocker 4 life, Real talk, lol!!!!
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The one thing everyone needs to ask is Qui Bono? Who benefits? What does Intel get out of baking DRM into their hardware? Is there a demand for DRM from the consumer that I haven't heard about? Are all you crazy overclocking kids excited about hardware restrictions being forced on you? Maybe it's a new hip thing that us older peeps just don't understand?

The truth is, I don't know any business owners or average consumers who are clamoring for DRM. Do you? Really, do you? Isn't business 101 about supplying the consumer with what they want? I always thought so. But since no one really wants DRM, then how is Intel benefiting?

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the biggest winner in this is the MPAA. There is no other winner. Period. However, since Intel has agreed to go along with it, they must have some sort of deal worked out with the MPAA and must be profiting from it somehow. I see no other explanation.

EDIT: This article pretty well sums up what is going on.
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The one thing everyone needs to ask is Qui Bono? Who benefits? What does Intel get out of baking DRM into their hardware? Is there a demand for DRM from the consumer that I haven't heard about? Are all you crazy overclocking kids excited about hardware restrictions being forced on you? Maybe it's a new hip thing that us older peeps just don't understand?

The truth is, I don't know any business owners or average consumers who are clamoring for DRM. Do you? Really, do you? Isn't business 101 about supplying the consumer with what they want? I always thought so. But since no one really wants DRM, then how is Intel benefiting?

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the biggest winner in this is the MPAA. There is no other winner. Period. However, since Intel has agreed to go along with it, they must have some sort of deal worked out with the MPAA and must be profiting from it somehow. I see no other explanation.

EDIT: This article pretty well sums up what is going on.
Well sure Intel was persuaded by the MPAA to do this. But honestly, even consumers can benefit from this since it allows for the streaming of HD data that was previously unavailable. Also, there are really no downsides to it, if you don't use the few programs that utilize Insider it has NO effect whatsoever. Although, I do understand why some people might be against the concept.

If you read my first post, you'd know that the Intel Insider does not affect any file on your computer, but simply adds another feature.

Also, since piracy of films is so common, expect hardware-protected streaming of movies to be the new way to distribute them. In a decade or so, all DVD/BluRay players and devices similar to Apple/Google TV as well as every device with a processor will have this feature to protect against piracy.

To be honest, I prefer this way of combating piracy to say limiting Internet data caps or infringing on personal privacy or censoring sites (which have much deeper effects on society). In this way there is no infringement on your personal rights since the Insider or similar hardware to it do not affect your data, they just add a more secure way to distribute them making piracy significantly harder and making it unnecessary to take more extreme and unjust measure to stop it.

We live in a capitalistic society, several large industries are constantly losing cash to piracy, and they sure want to stop it. And this is one of the better ways. I hope you understand my point.
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My country uses euros so prices might seem random, but I'll say the euro prices (100e = 100USD in this topic) in usd, so its easier for you to understand.

i7 950 (Pretty good overclocker: 4.2 HT 1.296-1.312V / 4.4 HT 1.392V/ 4.6 HT 1.45V) New: 270USD
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Now... How much would all this sell for? Give me estimate and ill +rep! Thanks!
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My country uses euros so prices might seem random, but I'll say the euro prices (100e = 100USD in this topic) in usd, so its easier for you to understand.

i7 950 (Pretty good overclocker: 4.2 HT 1.296-1.312V / 4.4 HT 1.392V/ 4.6 HT 1.45V) New: 270USD
AsRock x58 Extreme: 166USD New
Ram: 1600Mhz 3x2GB 83USD New

Now... How much would all this sell for? Give me estimate and ill +rep! Thanks!
Well I don't know if this is the best place to ask for prices on overclock.net.

But from what I've seen;

~$220 for the i7 950
~$140 for the AsRock x58
~$60 for the Ram

So it'll come for a total of ~$420.
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Well then you are reading incorrectly. The SB line is perfectly overclockable, if not more so than previous Intel processors. And there are no reports of "processor failure," only of excessive over-voltage by SB owners as Lethalrise also said.
Oh RLY?
The only good overclockers are the K series chips, all the other ones sux at it, because Intel doesn't want people to OC, so they locked the BCLK.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hom...y_overclocking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Overclocking
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Oh RLY?
The only good overclockers are the K series chips, all the other ones sux at it, because Intel doesn't want people to OC, so they locked the BCLK.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/hom...y_overclocking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Overclocking
Exactly, the non-K chips (not series) are not for overclocking, so obviously they don't count...

People who want overclocking buy the overclockable chips, and they overclock better than anything we've ever seen.
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I am nor presumptions or arrogant to think all this innovation that Intel put in the Sand Bridge processor, it is for our own good. First of all the chips for Intel Sand Bridge is not made in this country...Second of all nature gave us the best processor in the planet, our brain, please start using to find how many ramifications this will cause us in the future, If I can think about it so Intel.

The misuse of power through out history it is well documented.

I see even more problems in the near future if the computer companies and government decide to implement this. When I spoke to to a friend a few year back about some disturbing laws in the making and I had a bad feeling about it, he dismissed the theory that it could be done, he said it could not and it would not happen, but seen Intel sand bridge I say it is biting our asses right now, I am posting the link below, I also emailed to my friend that said it could not happen and the people would not let it happen.

I also watched a BBC series called "The Last Enemy" to show through fear and paranoia how government and corporation will be using and abusing the use of this technology, they are exploiting our fears and confusions, this series was made to open peoples eyes for what it is coming our way if we do not make our voices heard loud enough and close our wallet to their product.

For sure they will be able to silence the voices of freedom just by turning off the switch on every computer and also our individuality, there will not be in the near future freedom of speech, if we give them this power.

Kill switch, DRM and HDCP are the first steps to end of liberty, do not for a second be blinded that they are doing this to help us or secure our computers. They could care less about the user and in the long run, we the user will be the losers in this game. Game over.

They would be able to control the internet and it contents, spread misinformation and lies, because my fellow computer user you would not have access to information any more, we would only have access to what they want us to know only and not always the truth.

One good example is in the link below, how could even affect our war planes, radar and our computer grid. The American government right this moment is looking for kill switch in many of their war toys, if this could send the government into a frenzy imagine what it could be done to us. Down below I added a second link about how dangerous this is, not just for us for our entire country even the world.

Power left unchecked on the hands of any government and corporation could lead us into a totalitarian government.

I see the dark age of technology little by little descending on us.

I do not fear the hackers the way I fear government and corporation dictating to me this new way of life with my freedom of choices gone.

Sad part of it, I read a lot about it. Some people do not yet grasp at what really it is at stake. They are blinded by what they are offering without realizing how much we will lose.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconduct...he-kill-switch

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
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I am nor presumptions or arrogant to think all this innovation that Intel put in the Sand Bridge processor, it is for our own good. First of all the chips for Intel Sand Bridge is not made in this country...Second of all nature gave us the best processor in the planet, our brain, please start using to find how many ramifications this will cause us in the future, If I can think about it so Intel. [...]
While you may not be "arrogant" enough to assume it is for our good, you seem to be able to easily claim the opposite and label anyone with the opposing view as being "presumptuous."

So let me respond to some of the points you've made,

Firstly, Sandy Bridge processors are not built in "this" country, by which I assume you mean the US, in that case that is correct, but to be perfectly honest, what is? I personally regret this truth but, it is true nonetheless. However, Intel is building a new fabrication plant in Arizona (due to finish in 2014) and that is a great move by Intel to bring some manufacturing back to us.

Secondly, I am using my brain, and so are you. Fortunately, I am not so close-minded to claim that someone with a differing point of view is not using their brain.

Thirdly, I'd like to make a point... the DRM Insider technology has absolutely no way to "control" the things you are doing and so it would be unable to spread misinformation. If you are using the slippery slope argument, I believe that point of view is flawed from the start.

Data encryption has always existed, as well as the self-destruct option - prevalent in fiction. So the Killswitch technology does not create a new option that was previously unavailable - the US govt as well as any other govt have always had ways to get rid of unwanted data.

But in the big view of things, the US government is actually very transparent, especially if you compare to the rest of the world. There is no denying that there is secrecy, but there needs to be. This is the whole point of democracy; to elect someone who has the same opinions as you to make decisions as you would in the same circumstances because the public does not need to and shouldn't know everything, since that will endanger national security and lead to many other things depending on the case, which is the reason that some data is classified as confidential.

However, the US government (as well as the governments of Canada and many European countries as well as Japan and South Korea) is very checked. I recommend that you study the US Constitution, and the division of the government branches - the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judiciary. It has not failed us in the past, nor have we any reason to believe that it will in the future. Also Corporations are held in check by the government, the government is held in check by the electors, and the Corporations are also controlled by their stockholders. This is NOT the guilded age; all big corporations are public, governments inspect corporations in many ways... and most importantly; nothing is left unchecked to prevent the abuse of power.

Fourthly, recently, some freedom has been lost, but only since so many people have been abusing it. For at least 7 years now, corporations worldwide have been losing immense amounts of money due to piracy, and are now pressuring governments to rectify the situation. Internet data caps, COICA - Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act -, judges demanding that networks "out" their users who pirated are just a few examples of how some of freedoms are being lost. But once again, they are a response to the massive piracy movement of the last decade.

But while I don't necessarily agree with the infringements on privacy that has been the result of the combat versus piracy, I believe that safer ways of distributing information; such as the Insider technology, allow us to decrease piracy without infringing personal rights, by making data harder to distribute illegally as pirates have done in the past.

Lastly, technology only offers freedom - the freedom to fly, to go to space, to communicate with the other side of the world with a blink of an eye, to have access to all the data you would want or probably ever need. Most people do not "fear" anything, because there is nothing to fear -- the only terrifying event is the fast avances of Chin.... oh that's a topic for another time.
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i7 970 @ 4.4 Ghz Asus P6X58D-E EVGA GTX 680 SLI @ 1200Mhz 12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz 
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Samsung 840 Pro SSD 2 * 1TB WD Black 5 * 2TB Hitachi LaCie 1TB External HDD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG BD Combo Corsair H70 Windows 8 64-bit HP ZR30W (2560*1600) 
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Logitech 920-000914 OCZ ZX 1250W CM 690 II Advanced Logitech G500 
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Razer Goliathus Audez'e LCD-2 Schiit Lyr + NuForce HD DAC Blue Yeti Microphone 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Logitech G35 Altec Lansing 2.0 7 Scythe Ultra Kaze fans @ 3000rpm Scythe Kaze Fan controller 
Other
Logitech C900 Webcam 
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Intel Core i5-6360U 1536MB Iris Graphics 540 8GB RAM 256GB SSD 
OSMonitor
Mac OS X 2560-by-1600 resolution IPS display 
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i7 6700K Custom Apple Motherboard AMD Radeon R9 M395X 4GB 16GB 1867Mhz DDR3 
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3TB Apple Fusion Drive 4TB WD Elements External Drive Mac OS X 5120‑by‑2880, 10-bit IPS 
KeyboardMouseAudio
Apple Magic Keyboard Apple Magic Trackpad 2, Razer Deathadder 2013 Bose Companion 2 Series iii 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 970 @ 4.4 Ghz Asus P6X58D-E EVGA GTX 680 SLI @ 1200Mhz 12GB Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Pro SSD 2 * 1TB WD Black 5 * 2TB Hitachi LaCie 1TB External HDD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG BD Combo Corsair H70 Windows 8 64-bit HP ZR30W (2560*1600) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech 920-000914 OCZ ZX 1250W CM 690 II Advanced Logitech G500 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Goliathus Audez'e LCD-2 Schiit Lyr + NuForce HD DAC Blue Yeti Microphone 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Logitech G35 Altec Lansing 2.0 7 Scythe Ultra Kaze fans @ 3000rpm Scythe Kaze Fan controller 
Other
Logitech C900 Webcam 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5-6360U 1536MB Iris Graphics 540 8GB RAM 256GB SSD 
OSMonitor
Mac OS X 2560-by-1600 resolution IPS display 
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