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After reading all this information, I have to say that the OP shared some good information. But in BigCactus' defense, do not just gang up on him and call him names because he shared his concern. Every bit of information, suggestion, opinion is for us to take and give some thought on our own to agree or disagree.
I can see this feature being a really good thing for corporations or other business/academic institution. But for my personal laptop, I think I will just do without it. I do not pirate movies or music nor carry any objectional material in my laptop, and I am patient enough to wait for new movies to come out. Until the option is there, I think I will chose my personal freedom over giving intel the option of turning my computer off. This is just my opinion.
Lol. To be fair though I did put myself in that position, going against the grain. I try to be very critical of these companies knowing that I'd get subjected to hate from the various fan boys out there.

I am running a 2600k and can say that the performance has been quite good just running at stock clocks. Paired with a gtx460 768, I am getting great frame rates and much smoother game play than I did with a dual core I was running, and the 920xm I had in a laptop.

And for some reason there are games that feel less buggy with nvidia drivers to my surprise. I'd definitely recommend an SB chip. Haven't had problems with mine except I do get high idle temps at 28-38c at times, but I'm using the stock cooler and stock paste.
    
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Nice read, and good to know. Appreciate the post born!
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"and since most thieves are not extremely tech savvy"

You have no data to support this crazy thought.... I would believe the opposite. Most thieves think alot and therefore would understand technology as there the ones that develop most of the security features you use today...

If a thief could steal your car or hack your computer to steal your identity I don't think disabled stolen laptop will phase a criminal. The only people that are losing because of this "Killswitch" are the people that purchased the processor. They are forcing you to have these features that pose a obvious security threat as well as a privacy issue.

Its implementing more loss of control and nothing else. A thief is not going to give a **** if your computer does not power on... theyyy got it for free. I doubt they would even bother to use it... and they still will be able to sell it and an honest person is probably going to be the one suckered into paying 250$ for a broken laptop on ebay. Turns out it was deactivated.

Either way... whatever the situation these are features people don't want and will not support. This feature only introduces a new "disabled processor" issue in the market. DRM is a joke. It can be disabled quite easily. I think it will be another foolish attempt.
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"and since most thieves are not extremely tech savvy"

You have no data to support this crazy thought.... I would believe the opposite. Most thieves think alot and therefore would understand technology as there the ones that develop most of the security features you use today...

If a thief could steal your car or hack your computer to steal your identity I don't think disabled stolen laptop will phase a criminal. The only people that are losing because of this "Killswitch" are the people that purchased the processor. They are forcing you to have these features that pose a obvious security threat as well as a privacy issue.

Its implementing more loss of control and nothing else. A thief is not going to give a **** if your computer does not power on... theyyy got it for free. I doubt they would even bother to use it... and they still will be able to sell it and an honest person is probably going to be the one suckered into paying 250$ for a broken laptop on ebay. Turns out it was deactivated.

Either way... whatever the situation these are features people don't want and will not support. This feature only introduces a new "disabled processor" issue in the market. DRM is a joke. It can be disabled quite easily. I think it will be another foolish attempt.
Firstly, if a person was truly tech savvy, they would get a real job, with insurance, better pay and dignity. If one resorts to laptop thieving, it is safe to say that they do not have any marketable knowledge. Most laptop thieves are in this category, though others who opt to steal your data/personal details on an exception to this.

Secondly, actually, the laptops that have Killswitch store encryption on the CPU, so if you lose your laptop, your data IS safe. Since the encryption is NOT on the HDD, but on the disabled CPU, it cannot be obtained.

Thirdly, selling a disabled SB laptop on eBay would be most unwise, because the buyer will complain to Paypal and eBay, and would eventually discover that the CPU was disabled and thus the laptop was stolen. And so, the seller would be easily tracked through eBay and Paypal records and possibly prosecuted.

And lasty, Killswitch is not DRM in any sense of the way, and most SB CPUs do NOT have it, because most people do not need it. This is essentially for laptops with extremely sensitive data.
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I'm a programmer, and from a programmer's point of view, Intel Insider's utility to me is directly related to whether I can use it for my own software. Unlike High-definition Content Protection (HDCP), Intel Insider has potential for legitimate (non-anti-consumer) uses. If Intel's blog post on its technology was any indication, it might see a use beyond enforcing DRM on multimedia content.

HDCP, however, has no potential redeeming features. The entire framework which HDCP bases itself upon is managed by a small group of companies with less-than-pure intentions. Once compromised (and Intel's master key for the system has recently been compromised), the extra hardware is essentially useless for the purpose it was designed for. Compared to HDCP, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM), which had been a center of controversy years ago, can be used to work with the consumer and not against. Microsoft's BitLocker is a good example.

With that said, I still cannot find any documentation on Intel Insider to conclude if it's just another HDCP or a security feature I can use for my own needs.
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This clears up a lot of the rumors I've heard, thanks.
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You do realize that Intel is a corporation whose sole goal is to make the most profit it can. It will never use the killswitch/Insider as the way you made it sound (to turn off your CPU if you do not use it "legally") because if it does, many would not buy their processors to protect their privacy (myself included) and it will lose billions of dollars as consumers boycott the product. So Intel would never do that. Besides, it will be probably deemed unconstitutional since it infringes on the right to privacy.

Also Intel itself has clarified many times what the purpose of these two features are. And they are not for stopping your CPU if you pirate. I don't know why you would want people to think that.
Intel doesn;t have to worry about profit, they got the high-end CPU market cornered. Personally I dont know if this situation came from entertainment market bribes or not and I wont fair to guess, but doesn't seem like mere coincidence that new federal laws got in place at the same time.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...hite_paper.pdf



I might add that it has been mentioned that the authorized have been working closely with MPAA.

Intel's website mentioned this, "The technology known as Intel Insider does one thing and one thing only. It protects movies delivered from service providers that are specifically using Intel Insider to protect their content."

Wiki mentions this about Sandy/Ivy Bridge, "The processors include a "service" called Intel Insider, which the company claims is "an extra layer of content protection",[36] and despite claims, is a form of hardware restrictions and Digital rights management (a technology that inhibits uses of digital content not desired or intended by the content provider). This protection technology is only intended for streaming services at the moment.
Sandy Bridge processors with Vpro capability have security features that can remotely disable a PC or erase information from hard drives. This can be useful in the case of a lost or stolen PC. The commands can be received through 3G signals, ethernet, or internet connections. AES encryption acceleration will be available, which can be useful for video conferencing and VoIP applications."

Personally, and yeah I do but my computer for privacy. Even if I dont watch movies I don't like people freeing peeking in on my computer. I do my banking, all my school work, research, etc on my laptop. I dont like that Intel built-in observation into the CPU so that they could peek. Also, gives new vulnerabilities to hacks, especially with the RF band support they gave it. When new hacks come out specialized toward that, I dont think big business will like it either. It will probly be a new easy way to steal confidential data.

http://www.nutsaboutnets.com/perform...f-analyzer.htm
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You might be missing the real point. This is not a feature. It is part of a mandate. One which infests Intel as well as AMD going forward. Its an important NSA feature to disable a computer which might be in the hands of some adversary. These CPU giants were approached prior to 911. Protecting commercial property rights is the front. All special operations like these are given covers. Microsoft was once threatened with anti-trust court battles; first from England, to through suspicion off. This was followed by the U.S. Microsoft fought a loosing battle as they were guilty of being a Monopoly and it was a well known weakness. They eventually looked to move the company to Canada, only to discover that all three countries were tied into the same knot. Over-night the lawsuit was dropped after Gates agreed to include the then NEW spy code we now enjoy. The kill switch has but one sole use ! This is no conspiracy theory. Wake up. You're in the land of " let's hunt down foreign country's and kill their presidents ". Why ? Because we can ! - Now we can shut down American computers too. Another bonus ! Why would we not want this ? -- Kill Switch for commercial use ? Not a chance ! biggrin.gif
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