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hi,
to begin, sorry about my poor english
mecanical kyeboard is totally new to me
of course, i ve read entire post about it including these different switches etc
i would buy one especially for gaming excluding rts games such as sc2, w3 etc
as you may notice, i find only interest into fps games that requires quick movements (ut/quake)
i used to use mostly circle straffing as key for aiming good
after reading the main post of mecanical keyboards, if i can sum up very quickly

black switches are pretty good for fps
blue switches do have a double taping issue (which is a huge problem to me, i play game like ut that requires double tape for moving)
borwn swiches are lighter then blues and tactiles, most used for rts

from france, mecanical keyboards been unrecognized by most of customers
and unfortunetaly many mecanical one doesnt have azerty

French Filco Majestouch, NKR, Tactile Action Keyboard
Brown, Black, Blue switches

Steelseries 6GV2 Black switch

Zowie Celeritas Brown switch

Razer Back Widow Ultimate Bue switch


which one should be the best?

these all are in french layout btw
post #2 of 7
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Originally Posted by ajx View Post
hi,
to begin, sorry about my poor english
mecanical kyeboard is totally new to me
of course, i ve read entire post about it including these different switches etc
i would buy one especially for gaming excluding rts games such as sc2, w3 etc
as you may notice, i find only interest into fps games that requires quick movements (ut/quake)
i used to use mostly circle straffing as key for aiming good
after reading the main post of mecanical keyboards, if i can sum up very quickly

black switches are pretty good for fps
blue switches do have a double taping issue (which is a huge problem to me, i play game like ut that requires double tape for moving)
borwn swiches are lighter then blues and tactiles, most used for rts

from france, mecanical keyboards been unrecognized by most of customers
and unfortunetaly many mecanical one doesnt have azerty

French Filco Majestouch, NKR, Tactile Action Keyboard
Brown, Black, Blue switches

Steelseries 6GV2 Black switch

Zowie Celeritas Brown switch

Razer Back Widow Ultimate Bue switch


which one should be the best?

these all are in french layout btw
My vote is for the Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch (the one with the Cherry MX Browns). But that is only if it really does have NKRO as one of its features.

Now, the reason why I'm choosing the Tactile Touch NKRO is because in the world of mechanical switches, the Blacks are said to be the "worst" mechanical switch for typing while the Browns are a great middle-ground between typing and gaming. This is because the Browns are a tactile switch (non-clicky) which makes them nice for typing, but they don't have the double-tapping issues that some people have experienced on the Blues. On top of that, the tactile feedback of the Browns is less pronounced than the Blues which is yet another reason why they're good for gaming.

Regarding the double-tapping issue with the Blues, it's only a problem if you double tap in such a way where you don't allow the key to come all the way back up before the next key press. So let's imagine this in slow-motion: if you actually allow the key to come all the way back up during that split-second in between the two key presses during a double-tap, then the Blues should never be a problem. But if you double-tap in such a way where you keep your finger on the key and don't even allow the key to come all the back up before the 2nd key press during the double-tap, then the Blues could be a big problem.

For example: I have the Filco Majestouch Tactile Click (which is the one with the Blues), and when I double-tap, I just hit the key two times in a row very quickly. In slow-motion, the key always comes all the way back up. I sometimes even let my finger raise up off the key cap as well. So, I never have a problem. And to be honest, I absolutely love the way it feels to use the Cherry MX Blues for both gaming and typing. But I am basically just a casual gamer. I mean, I never take it seriously, and I'm certainly not competitive in the same sense that the professionals are. So, I never have double-tapping issues.

Now, the reason why I didn't pick the Zowie Celeritas is because I don't know anything about it. However, it appears to feature NKRO because they are using the incorrect terminology "Full Anti-Ghosting". Yeah, Ghosting is not the same as Key Rollover. Ghosting is when you press two keys at the same time while typing, and then get a third character out of nowhere just as though you accidentally pressed that key (even though your 2-key keystroke was clean). But Key Rollover refers to how many keys can be pressed at the same time and still register. So, Ghosting does not mean something like this: pressing 10 keys at the same time, but only 6 go through. I mean, some might say that those 4 lost key strokes are now "ghosts". But that's incorrect. Plus, it doesn't even make sense when compared to what a ghost is, and that's why "Ghosting" was used to describe a third key stroke appearing out of nowhere when 2 keys are pressed simultaneously and cleanly.

Anyway, it also sounds like the Zowie Celeritas has the switches mounted on a metal plate because it claims "Highly durable metal inner chassis". So, it's probably not a bad product. However, I admit that their incorrect usage of "Anti-Ghosting" irritates me.

The reason why I didn't choose the BlackWidow is because it does not have NKRO. Instead, they claim the same thing that they claim for their Lycosa: improved key rollover for the WASD gaming cluster. But I'm the type of person who wants the peace of mind that NKRO provides, and so for that reason I have the "NKRO" version of the Tactile Click. Plus, I fell in love with the little mechanical clicks that the Blues make after watching several YouTube videos.

The reason why I didn't pick the 6Gv2 is because I'm a typist. I mean I guess if the only purpose for my computer was to play games on it, then I would probably be picking a board with the Blacks such as the 6Gv2. But I type too, and so I wouldn't want a board with the Blacks because that's supposed to be the worst mechanical switch for typing while simultaneously being the best for gaming. However, the 6Gv2 does appear to have NKRO because they claim "Extreme Anti-Ghosting" (again, incorrect terminology), and then follow it up with "Allows as many simultaneous key presses as there are keys on the keyboard.". So that's definitely evidence that it features NKRO.

But it's all a matter of opinion. I've seen people here on OCN who have tried the Blues, Blacks, Browns, Buckling Springs and a few others, but yet they prefer the Blues for gaming. I've also seen those who prefer the Browns. And of course, there are those who prefer the Blacks too. Some even prefer the Buckling Springs switch type!

So, I recommend going with your gut instinct, but at the same time don't make a blind decision. Do everything you can to make an informed decision! Of course, it was very wise of you to make this thread here on Overclock.net.
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post #3 of 7
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thanks for giving a long post answer
unfortunetaly there are not many keyboards in french layout
that clearly reduces my choices
my preference also goes to filco in mx brown
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Originally Posted by ajx View Post
thanks for giving a long post answer
unfortunetaly there are not many keyboards in french layout
that clearly reduces my choices
my preference also goes to filco in mx brown
I was feeling like apologizing for the huge post, but I figured it was either that, or we could have spent the next few hours or days going back and forth just to end up with the same information.

Anyway, I admit that I am biased towards the Filco Majestouch just because I own the Tactile Click NKRO, but I have yet to see anyone on here who doesn't like their Majestouch!

I almost forgot: feel free to start up a discussion in the Mechanical Keyboard Guide.
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I think i heard Filco is pretty good regardless no?
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I think i heard Filco is pretty good regardless no?
Absolutely. There are better mechanical keyboards out there, but those only truly matter to the die-hard mechanical keyboard enthusiasts (I'm not one of them).

But the Filco Majestouch Linear Force (the one with the Blacks) is far less popular than the Tactile Touch and Tactile Click because there are mechanical boards out there with the Blacks that are better due to having the same quality, but with actual features other than just being a quality mechanical keyboard. One such example is the 6Gv2.
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Perhaps some guys here know which French layout mech keyboards are available.
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