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I'm still within refund time for my RMA until 19Jan. I wanted to know what others thought which card was the better performer? Both MSI: MSI Twin Frozr II AMD 6870 or MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack?

Price or heat not being the decider. I want better performer period. I'm torn.

Both offer 1.4a HDMI, Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, 3D Gaming.

The GTX offers Physics X & Cuda which is something to give up but if I'm getting better performance with my AMD then I'm sticking with it and going crossfire. Times running out if I'm to make this switch or not.

Side question is which has the best performance in video games and when crossfired or SLI'd does one scale better than the other in performance?

Taking into conderation they will be overclocked. I got my current AMD 6870 card at 1000Mhz core / 1750Mhz memory for 150.4 Bandwidth with 32.0 Gpixel's.

Please keep it to real facts, not fan arguments.
     
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HD 6870 performs better than the GTX 460 in Single and Crossfire performance just as simple as that, consideringly that in the Reviews I've saw HD 6870 beat out SLI performance I'd certainly stick with your AMD card. But if you plan to fold(Unless they start making ATi clients) or want to take advantage of the few PhysX games I'd suggest using the GTX 460 because that will most certainly give you a better experience if you're going to use the features. AMD 6870 current does Scale better than the GTX 460 as far as I've seen.
Links: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-crossfirex-review/12 http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/7 http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/15
    
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I can concur that I read an article from KitGuru. Where they pitted a HIS 6870 reference card against the overclocked EVGA 460 FTW and MSI Hawk.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/his-hd6870-crossfirex-review/

In closing conclusions: Quote "The HD6870 is a clear performance leader and some credit has to go to the AMD driver development team who have managed to achieve high levels of scaling under Crossfire conditions. In our testing the HIS HD6870 was always at the top of the pack, sometimes leading the way, and on occasion just slightly behind the overclocked GTX460 SLI configurations."

Yet when I read posts from owners they seem to lean GTX 460 Hawk Talon's. Maybe it's preference rather than raw performance. Since the AMD can be overclocked as well but wasn't OC'd in the above review.

I'm assuming if Afterburner updates to allow the 6800's voltage tweaks for even better performance than my current OC if that's even going to be an option with these 6800 cards?
     
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Originally Posted by Arizonian;11956223 
I'm still within refund time for my RMA until 19Jan. I wanted to know what others thought which card was the better performer? Both MSI: MSI Twin Frozr II AMD 6870 or MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack?

Price or heat not being the decider. I want better performer period. I'm torn.

Both offer 1.4a HDMI, Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, 3D Gaming.

The GTX offers Physics X & Cuda which is something to give up but if I'm getting better performance with my AMD then I'm sticking with it and going crossfire. Times running out if I'm to make this switch or not.

Side question is which has the best performance in video games and when crossfired or SLI'd does one scale better than the other in performance?

Taking into conderation they will be overclocked. I got my current AMD 6870 card at 1000Mhz core / 1750Mhz memory for 150.4 Bandwidth with 32.0 Gpixel's.

Please keep it to real facts, not fan arguments.


If you already have the 6870, and overclocked to 1ghz core, there's no need to switch to a 460, unless:

You fold
Are looking for cooler temps


It's more of a side-step, then an up/down grade, really.

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There were a few tests that matched the Radeon HD 6870 with the GeForce GTX 470, and then there were tests that pegged it against the 1GB GeForce GTX 460. Most times it required a heavily overclocked GTX 460 to find similar competition,

Since your @ 1ghz core, I'd keep it.


I was in the same dilemma Friday. I went with a Sparkle 460.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187123&cm_re=sparkle_gtx_460-_-14-187-123-_-Product

I've seen other owners report 950 core @ ~55c with the card above. The fact that the 460's are cool cards, and use less power, lead me in that direction. And they are good folding cards as well.

I've read that the new 6xxx series scale very well, as do the 4 and 5 series from nvidia. Depending on the review site, I've seen some say 6xxx scale better, and vice versa, so take anything and everything from "review sites" with a grain of salt.



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Originally Posted by Arizonian;11956223 

Taking into conderation they will be overclocked. I got my current AMD 6870 card at 1000Mhz core / 1750Mhz memory for 150.4 Bandwidth with 32.0 Gpixel's.

1750MHz on the memory! Did you mean 1150?

I have no solid argument either way other than Im going to buy 2xMSI 6870 twin Frozr II's next week when my regular supplier gets them in. Main driver twards these are my mobo is CF only but particularly these are quiet.
Edited by dihartnell - 1/9/11 at 9:54pm
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I've been stable no glitching playing Crysis at gamer mode, AA: Off, Blood On, Weapon inertia ON with no problems 64C 60% fan.

It's when I try Enthusiast I get stutter in screens and with AA:On the artifacting or game freeze.

I'm hoping the second card would take me to the next level of gaming heaven sights and I could max Crysis out.

Natrually I don't have any problems playing WOW at Ultra. I know either cards could do that easily.
     
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Originally Posted by dihartnell;11956488 
1750MHz on the memory! Did you mean 1150?

Woops I meant 1175Mhz on the memory. LOL. I wish 1750Mhz. I tried 1250Mhz and it was to much in Crysis. I hit 160Mhz bandwidth but it was too much.

Thanks for catching that mistype. HAHAHa!
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you could just get a gt 430 for physx?
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Originally Posted by Arizonian;11956542 
I've been stable no glitching playing Crysis at gamer mode, AA: Off, Blood On, Weapon inertia ON with no problems 64C 60% fan.

It's when I try Enthusiast I get stutter in screens and with AA:On the artifacting or game freeze.

I'm hoping the second card would take me to the next level of gaming heaven sights and I could max Crysis out.

Natrually I don't have any problems playing WOW at Ultra. I know either cards could do that easily.

If you're getting artifacts at all your OC isn't stable.

I honestly hope you aren't actually running memory at 1750mhz...

Guy on the GTX 570 owners club was touting that he was the only person to run 2300mhz on memory for that card and we all told him it was a bad idea. 10 days later he reported that he ended up bricking the card from the high memory OC.


I would test that overclock with some kind of render test utility. If you're getting artifacts then something isn't kosher.

Hell I ran my Gigabyte reference 6870 at 975/1125 in Metro 2033 on Very High DX11 Tessellation and DOF on and got like 10fps. But never artifacts.

Download a render test and run it for at least 15 minutes with your OC on. If you don't get a single artifact then your OC is nice and stable.
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Yeah I didn't mean artifact I meant game stuttered through game play and then froze.

Though I did take your advice and did a Kombustor stability test for the last 15mins on DX11 with AA:ON 4X for last 15mins just to check. It was fine at 76FPS avg 69C highest temp. When I did a benchmark after I hit 100FPS.
     
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