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Your card @ 1ghz is going to edge any 460 thats not clocked at similar clocks. I'd be willing to bet if you found someone with a 1ghz 460, you'd see similar gpixels and bandwidth.
Question is how much more can the already overclocked MSI 460 Hawk Talon and / or the EVGA 460 FTW card be overclocked?

If we overclock both to their highest capacity who will perform better?

The review from KitGuru on my earlier link shows the reference 6870 card besting the overclocked 460 Hawk Talon and 460 FTW cards. It didn't overclock both and go at it.
     
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Question is how much more can the already overclocked MSI 460 Hawk Talon and / or the EVGA 460 FTW card be overclocked?

If we overclock both to their highest capacity who will perform better?

The review from KitGuru on my earlier link shows the reference 6870 card besting the overclocked 460 Hawk Talon and 460 FTW cards. It didn't overclock both and go at it.
My 460 will be here later today (its 1am here). I have seen some other folks with mid to upper 900 core on stock voltage. When my card arrives, I'll get it going and let you know. You'll likely have to come down a little bit on your OC so we can get more of an "apples to apples" comparison - well, at least the same core, shader, memory, etc.

As to the third paragraph, I don't understand it one bit. "It didn't overclock both and go at it".
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I meant the review didn't overclock both cards to their highest potential to see which had better performance. It was out of the box reviews.

Congrats on your new card =) Which did you get?

I got until Jan 19 to refund if I can find out the 460 overclocked gets better results than the 6870 overclocked. I have a feeling their both neck and neck and it's not going to make much difference either way.

MSI put out a great card on both non-reference AMD 6870 and Nvidia 460 Hawk Talon. In fact the Talon cards bested EVGA's GTX 460 FTW cards one week later after it's release. Heh.
     
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Hey I found out my answer somewhat. The Talons can hit the 1000Mhz/1000Mhz on this review from KitGuru.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...70-crossfirex/

It beat out AMD 5770's anyway. Both overclocked.


http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MAX-OC-Challange.jpg


Now to find them against AMD 6870.
     
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I meant the review didn't overclock both cards to their highest potential to see which had better performance. It was out of the box reviews.

Congrats on your new card =) Which did you get?

I got until Jan 19 to refund if I can find out the 460 overclocked gets better results than the 6870 overclocked. I have a feeling their both neck and neck and it's not going to make much difference either way.

MSI put out a great card on both non-reference AMD 6870 and Nvidia 460 Hawk Talon. In fact the Talon cards bested EVGA's GTX 460 FTW cards one week later after it's release. Heh.

I got the last one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-123-_-Product


Wanted something that cools very good and is quiet. This is the only one that seemed to fit exactly what I was looking for. The Gigabyte and MSI dual-fan models were my next choice.

If I get a decent card, 950/1900 shouldn't be a problem, at hopefully ~60c on load.
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Hey I found out my answer somewhat. The Talons can hit the 1000Mhz/1000Mhz on this review from KitGuru.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...70-crossfirex/

It beat out AMD 5770's anyway. Both overclocked.


http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MAX-OC-Challange.jpg


Now to find them against AMD 6870.


Keep in mind, just like cpu's, not every gpu is the same. They were able to get 1000/2000 on stock voltage. The next guy might only be able to get 920/1840 on his.
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I missed this from the original review against the AMD 6870 vs the MSI GTX 460 Talon and EVGA FTW cards.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...rex-review/22/

Notice the MSI 460 Talon is at 1000/1000 and the EVGA FTW is at 850/1000. The HIS AMD 6870 is 950/1140 overclocked. The single HIS 6870 is being beat by the single MIS 460 Talon and EVGA 460 FTW.

In crossfire to SLI however the AMD 6870 beats the EVGA FTW 460, but they didn't show the MIS Talon 460 in SLI. I'm going to assume that in crossfire it would beat the MSI Talon 460 as well in proportion as well.

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/heaven-overclock1.png

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/up...-vantageoc.png

So in conclusion : the single card solution the MSI Talon 460 1000/1000 or EVGA 460 FTW 850/1000 beats the single HIS AMD 6870 950/1140.

On the other hand the two card solution the HIS AMD 6870 950/1140 beats the MSI Talon 460 1000/1000 and EVGA 460 FTW 850/1000 overclocks.

AMD scales better in crossfire than Nvidia in SLI. I've read about AMD's cards getting better gains from the second card than Nvidia.

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I've got a MSI Twin Frozer II AMD 6870 1000/1175 and I beat the HIS AMD 6870 950/1140 overclock in that review, very stable. I'm a huge Crysis fan and it never gets over 65C with fans running at 60%.

MSI is a great company making great qaulity overclocking non-reference cards. Kudos to them.

I'm going to stick with my AMD 6870 since I'm going the crossfire route in February.

I have to say both are very comparable and it would depend on if you want one or two cards solution for your rig. Either way you can't go wrong at least not with the MSI versions of either.

I'll end up saying as I've said before.....sometimes between AMD and Nvidia it's like trying to pick the reddest apple in the barrel when they both taste just as good.

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Keep in mind, just like cpu's, not every gpu is the same. They were able to get 1000/2000 on stock voltage. The next guy might only be able to get 920/1840 on his.
That's true on those above reviews they were tested on Intel i7 950 Quad Core CPU with 6GB of DDR3 memory. They limit testing to 1920×1080 (1080) and 1920×1200 as less than 1% of the enthusiast user base have a 30 inch screen to address the widest possible audience.
     
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I got the last one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-123-_-Product


Wanted something that cools very good and is quiet. This is the only one that seemed to fit exactly what I was looking for. The Gigabyte and MSI dual-fan models were my next choice.

If I get a decent card, 950/1900 shouldn't be a problem, at hopefully ~60c on load.
That's a cool purple heh. Let me know in a PM how they do. I noticed the four pipes making contact with the board are coming from the opposite side that MSI places them. They stick out a bit further than the board would look cool in a case to see them like that. MSI has five and they put them on the side that faces the motherboard so they are tucked in not to go past the PCIe board connection. Nice.

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Side note off MSI website comparison.

Memory bandwidth on the MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon is 3900Mhz bus standard PCIe x16 2.0 and on the MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II memory bandwidth 4200Mhz bus standard PCIe x 16 2.1. Wouldn't AMD have more head room to overclock on bandwidth maximum?

Both are 256 bit and support 1.4a HDMI and reach 1Ghz core clock speeds.
     
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