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post #1 of 22
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Hello overclock.net members.

I've came here to find some support, because I know, that here are really smart people about things I will ask.

So, I am wondering.. I have non-brand (I think so) power supply with 450w, and I am running these pc parts:
Gigabyte GeForce 9800GT
2x 1gb Kingston HyperX DDR2 800mhz
Gigabyte P43-ES3G
Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3.16GHz (Not overclocked)
Samsung HD502HJ
Hitachi Deskstar 7K80

Seems that's all.. If I've named something incorrect, notice that.

And yeah, so, can my power supply handle that, or I have to change it before it's too late?


And the other question.
How far I can OC my CPU, if I have default cooler?

Hope to see helpful answers here. ^^
My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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post #2 of 22
Can you open up the system and see if the brand is listed on the PSU? It virtually always is.

There's a big misconception about what "generic" means in regards to power supplies, even trashy brands like Raidmax or Coolmax or Sunbeam don't necessarily qualify as generic. Even terrible brands/manufacturers like Leadman, SunPro, and Linkworld are generic only by convention, since they are technically branded as something usually.
post #3 of 22
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Well, I actually dont know what you needed from my PSU, so here's picture of that sticker.


And someone, what about my CPU question above?
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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post #4 of 22
Oh yeah, that's a generic alright. 19A on the +12V rail for a 450W? Pathetic. (for the record, my recommendation is 34A) And in reality I doubt the part they're using to rectify +12V current (should be a Schottky rectifier; odds are they're using a fast recovery diode) probably can't handle more than 12A, so even that pathetic claim is probably a lie.

And you can tell they have a crappy product when the biggest thing on the label is "SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY". Kind of like advertising a chair as "SITTING POSTURE ENHANCER". And having that big ol' "P4" sticker on there, which means it claims compatibility with Pentium 4 systems. That's a sign it's a POS as well.

Also no safety certifications at all... No UL, no FCC, not even claims of compliance with these certs. No 80PLUS or EUP or anything. Just CE, which means nothing:

Quote:
According to the European Commission today the CE logo has become a symbol for free marketability of industrial goods within the EEA without any literal meaning. By affixing the CE marking to a product, the manufacturer – on his sole responsibility – declares that it meets EU safety and health and environmental requirements.
So yeah, replace it ASAP. Then open it up and take a lot of pictures so I can make fun of the terrible build quality and laughable engineering. Terrible power supplies are a great source of entertainment. Use a bit more light though for pictures, it's hard to see; try taking a few lamps and placing it around the object, and use a flashlight to illuminate any remaining dark areas.



Anyway, as for your CPU, you just have to see. Generally no more than 10-15% OC is safe on the stock cooler though.
Edited by Phaedrus2129 - 1/10/11 at 9:11am
post #5 of 22
Replace it ASAP, you are lucky that it haven't exploded and take your computer with it. I would recommend getting something the Antec Earthwatt 430W or the Cosair CX430.
post #6 of 22
Jeez. Talk about crap.

Hey when you buy a new supply, which you will. , would you mind opening that thing up and taking like a picture or two? I'll Rep you and give you unlimited brownie points.

I think we might have a new qualifier to biggest POS PSU ever.
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AMD Athlon II X4 620 ASUS M4A785G-M EVO XFX ATI HD4650 4GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOS
Samsung 830 Seagate Barracude 7200.12 Samsung F3 1TB Windows 7 Home x64 
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post #7 of 22
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I think we might have a new qualifier to biggest POS PSU ever.
Heh, it's bad, but not NEARLY bad enough for "worst PSU ever". There are far worse out there.

It's still bottom 10th percentile.
post #8 of 22
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I ordered "Chieftec ATX 500W PFC 80+ BULK CTG-500-80P". Should be here today. But i dont know, it's running ok till now. And.. I was going to sell it to someone, but I though can open it. But actually, I can tear the "warranty sticker", with is specially sticked on to see, does it have been opened or not. I think you know that. ^^ I'll see what I can do, because I still have the warranty.

EDIT: And yeah, it's kinda light, I think it's even lighter than 1kg.
My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8500 @ 3.16 (stock) P43-ES3G Gigabyte 9800GT - GV-N98TOC-1GH 2x 1gb 800MHz Kingston HyperX DDR2 
Hard DrivePower
Samsung HD502HJ 500gb, Hitachi Deskstar 7K80 GPS-550AB A 
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post #9 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaedrus2129 View Post
Oh yeah, that's a generic alright. 19A on the +12V rail for a 450W? Pathetic..
Haha my Old Autrix one had 10A, till I smashed it...
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Intel 2500k 3103B297# 4.7ghz@1.408v AShitRock Z77 Extreme 4 (No.2) ATI Gigabyte 7870HD Crossfire 16GB Corsair XMS3/Kingston 1600mhz, 9-8-9-24-1T... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
WD Caviar Green 1TB X2 (Boot/Storage), Seagate ... Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB (Backup) 2X Seagate Barracuda's 7200.7 60GB (Scratch) 2X Super Ritemaster CD/DVD 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NHC14 P/P 200mm Front, 200mm Top, 120mm Side, 120mm Exhau... Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit G2220HD 21.5" BenQ at 1920X1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow Ultmate BF3 Ediiton OCZ ZX 850w PSU HAF912A w 120mm Side fan Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
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Intel 2500k 3103B297# 4.7ghz@1.408v AShitRock Z77 Extreme 4 (No.2) ATI Gigabyte 7870HD Crossfire 16GB Corsair XMS3/Kingston 1600mhz, 9-8-9-24-1T... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
WD Caviar Green 1TB X2 (Boot/Storage), Seagate ... Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB (Backup) 2X Seagate Barracuda's 7200.7 60GB (Scratch) 2X Super Ritemaster CD/DVD 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua NHC14 P/P 200mm Front, 200mm Top, 120mm Side, 120mm Exhau... Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit G2220HD 21.5" BenQ at 1920X1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow Ultmate BF3 Ediiton OCZ ZX 850w PSU HAF912A w 120mm Side fan Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
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Razer Goliathus Control Edition Corsair Vengeance 1300's/Logitech 530's Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium PCI-e Lamptron FC8 Fan controller 
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post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Certain View Post
I ordered "Chieftec ATX 500W PFC 80+ BULK CTG-500-80P". Should be here today. But i dont know, it's running ok till now. And.. I was going to sell it to someone, but I though can open it. But actually, I can tear the "warranty sticker", with is specially sticked on to see, does it have been opened or not. I think you know that. ^^ I'll see what I can do, because I still have the warranty.

EDIT: And yeah, it's kinda light, I think it's even lighter than 1kg.
Please please please ask here before buying a power supply, you could have ended up with something worse than what you had.

Now, what you have is definitely not generic, Chieftec is a known brand who have some good units, though they aren't as well known in the US. They use CWT a lot and sell almost all of CWT's designs to some degree. However they also occasionally use one or two other OEMs, possibly HEC, who is less than stellar. They rarely overrate a unit past what the OEM says it can do so there's some solace there; but CWT's PUF units and most of HEC's units are overrated to begin with.

I cannot find much information on your specific model, so I can't tell you a whole lot about it.
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