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I agree on the RAM part, I definitely need more ram than an avarage user cause i'm working with big photoshop files that goes up to 200 mb each file --> eats a **** load of RAM

Also is it possible to buy a 300 GB velociraptor + 120 gb SSD in RAID-0 ? or would it not benefit the speed of the ssd

@willibj I was planning to get a 2/tb hard drive for storing my large files (almost everything expect games/software/os)

About the NVIDIA part .. I really would love a AMD 6990
Convince me of not waiting for it and go with a 580 in sli maybe? or something else bad ass plz

I wanna eat all games @ 1080p maxed out.

Everyone thx allready for putting effort in this! I really appreciate it.
Oh and I have a windows ultimate 64-bit so no need for software!

So, I agree with this:
  • Gold AX850 power suply
  • i7 2600K
  • ASUS P8P67
  • h70 Cpu cooler
  • Corsair Vengeance DDR3, 1600MHz 8GB 2x240 Dimm, Unbuffered, 8-8-8-24, Vengeance Heatspreader
  • 600T corsair case
Good list, and good move on the RAM idea, except that 12gb is a triple channel kit, and you will be running dual-channel RAM. Triple channel is the 1366 (1365?) platform of i7 processors.

So you are stuck with either 8gb or 16gb of RAM really. Frankly I would stick with 8 for now and see if you need more. It really depends on how seriously you will be designing and on what programs; of course the golden rule with all of these is that more is better.

SSD's in RAID will show a marked increase - again how design-professional will your system be, and thus how much data redundancy do you require?

I would personally probably try and run mirror-raid setups on your OS and storage drives. I would think that the speed of a single large SSD (mirrored), and backed up to mirrored storage devices (those Samsung F4 2TB 5400rpm drives are great performers and run cool) with a 7200rpm 1TB drive for programs would be blazingly fast and provide enough data retention for your needs.

That PSU is a much better choice, spot on. The CPU will be freezing on the H70 (which is great!) - how compatible with the 600t is it? I faintly remember hearing from people that it fit well, but sometimes there are situations where the H50 fits better in some cases, and the Sandybridge processors are not pushing much heat at all, with 4.4ghz OC's on the stock cooler being seen. There is a H60 coming out soon that looks very good, but in all honesty you can probably suffice with any basic CPU cooler tower on SandyBridge, but the H50/70 are very nice.

The AMD 6990 will probably be bad-ass - I'm not sure what to recommend here.

Honestly if I were you I would get a GTX570 and save the extra money. This card is a beast, can overclock well and will give you HUGE performance in games @ 1080p. HUGE!!! There exists only a handful of games that would pose even a slight challenge for this card currently at that resolution.

THEN ... when the 6990 comes out you have a GTX570 for design work, and as your Physx card when gaming on your new 6990, or perhaps you could even wait for the 7990 coming out later this year, not to mention you'll have a backup GPU.

Take your pick of the GTX570/580 range, all will be fine (I like gigabyte) and both are monster performers, especially in SLI. Perhaps research how the design programs you use run on nVidia and AMD/ATI gaming cards, or more to the point, what compatibility errors are expected. This situation is always hard, but you should be fine with any purchase, though CUDA can be a draw-card for some with huge performance increases from Fermi cards. Might be best to play it safe and go nVidia now and decide later upon a 2nd card, once you're up and running and testing your games and design software.
Edited by willibj - 1/10/11 at 2:11pm
 
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Thx, your post really helped me out, I decided to go with a 470(or 570? but thats still pretty expensive) just for now untill AMD releases there 6990 Card.

Alltough I still dont understand the whole mirrored raid thing. Could you explain a bit more "simplified"

Should I get one ssd or 2 small ones, and what is data redundancy

The logic setup for me as a "person who doesn't know that much about pc's" would be:
  • Corsair Force Series F120 (os/games/programm's)
  • HD Caviar G/2TB SATA II 5400rpm (data)

Also is it possible to add a velociraptor hard drive to the ssd in Raid so they work as one? (or that would decrease the performance on the ssd part?)

Plz do enlighten me with your awsome knowledge!
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Thx, your post really helped me out, I decided to go with a 470(or 570? but thats still pretty expensive) just for now untill AMD releases there 6990 Card.

Alltough I still dont understand the whole mirrored raid thing. Could you explain a bit more "simplified"

Should I get one ssd or 2 small ones, and what is data redundancy

The logic setup for me as a "person who doesn't know that much about pc's" would be:
  • Corsair Force Series F120 (os/games/programm's)
  • HD Caviar G/2TB SATA II 5400rpm (data)

Also is it possible to add a velociraptor hard drive to the ssd in Raid so they work as one? (or that would decrease the performance on the ssd part?)

Plz do enlighten me with your awsome knowledge!
The 570 is worth it over the 470 for the added performance and advanced cooling (thus making it run cooler and quieter). It gives GTX480+ performance, and the vapor chamber cooler (identical to the GTX580 one) keeps it cooler and running happier.

That said it is a fair bit more expensive, and even a GTX470 will keep you happy @ 1080p in just as many games, and can be overclocked significantly if you have the right cooling (Gigabyte Windforce is excellent). You are looking at being pushed in GTA IV, Metro 2033, Crysis/Warhead, Lost Planet 2, Cryostasis and perhaps one or two others with the 470, even then only with the highest level graphics and AA/AF standards. Frankly these games will still be lovely, and anything that pushes an overclocked 470 will also test a 480/570/580, just to lesser degrees. Only in SLI-land will you find maximum ownage of all titles.

I'm by no means an expert on RAID setups but it seems most logical to me to run this setup:

120gb SSD --- OS
1TB HDD ------ Programs/Games (with a 120gb partition for safety backup)
2x 2TB HDD --- Storage (mirror drives) with an OS backup on here

This setup would allow you to recall an OS install to your SSD if it crashed/corrupted, or to recall the same OS to your 1TB HDD's 120gb partition if your SSD died. There are multiple levels of redundancy in this setup.

The benefits of running 2 smaller SSD drives will be faster read/write/access times, but you have less redundancy as if either of the drives fail, you've lost your whole OS across both drives. Given the huge speed of SSD drives, especially if you are coming from mechanical drives in the past, it seems acceptable to simply run 1 decent sized drive for the OS alone with plenty of data storage on mechanical drives. I try to keep the golden rule of 50% max capacity for OS drive, and 75% max capacity for storage drives. They seem to run better and with less problems, I also gather SSD's NEED a certain amount of free room to work effectively.

As far as I'm aware, you can RAID multiple different sized drives together, I'm not sure of whether you can mix SSD and HDD's in such, but doing so will slow down the SSD's I'm sure. Best to leave your storage setups separate.

RAID has a number of different solutions. Wiki explains best:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

Basically RAID 0 takes 2 identical drives and combines them ie: 2x120gb SSD's would show as 240gb - if one fails, all 240gb would technically "fail".

RAID 1 takes 2 identical drives and mirrors them ie: 2x120gb SSD's would show as 120gb - if one drive fails, the other contains an exact replica (thus redundancy)

RAID 0+1 combines both above but requires (for example) 4x120gb drives - 2 to combine, and 2 to mirror the combination.

Hope this helps
 
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Gotta give props to macs for having supper resell value because of all the hipsters willing to throw cash at anything shinny with an apple logo on it.
Hahaha, made me laugh. All my mates are getting iMacs. they think that a monitor is the whole computer.
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The 570 is worth it over the 470 for the added performance and advanced cooling (thus making it run cooler and quieter). It gives GTX480+ performance, and the vapor chamber cooler (identical to the GTX580 one) keeps it cooler and running happier.

That said it is a fair bit more expensive, and even a GTX470 will keep you happy @ 1080p in just as many games, and can be overclocked significantly if you have the right cooling (Gigabyte Windforce is excellent). You are looking at being pushed in GTA IV, Metro 2033, Crysis/Warhead, Lost Planet 2, Cryostasis and perhaps one or two others with the 470, even then only with the highest level graphics and AA/AF standards. Frankly these games will still be lovely, and anything that pushes an overclocked 470 will also test a 480/570/580, just to lesser degrees. Only in SLI-land will you find maximum ownage of all titles.

I'm by no means an expert on RAID setups but it seems most logical to me to run this setup:

120gb SSD --- OS
1TB HDD ------ Programs/Games (with a 120gb partition for safety backup)
2x 2TB HDD --- Storage (mirror drives) with an OS backup on here

This setup would allow you to recall an OS install to your SSD if it crashed/corrupted, or to recall the same OS to your 1TB HDD's 120gb partition if your SSD died. There are multiple levels of redundancy in this setup.

The benefits of running 2 smaller SSD drives will be faster read/write/access times, but you have less redundancy as if either of the drives fail, you've lost your whole OS across both drives. Given the huge speed of SSD drives, especially if you are coming from mechanical drives in the past, it seems acceptable to simply run 1 decent sized drive for the OS alone with plenty of data storage on mechanical drives. I try to keep the golden rule of 50% max capacity for OS drive, and 75% max capacity for storage drives. They seem to run better and with less problems, I also gather SSD's NEED a certain amount of free room to work effectively.

As far as I'm aware, you can RAID multiple different sized drives together, I'm not sure of whether you can mix SSD and HDD's in such, but doing so will slow down the SSD's I'm sure. Best to leave your storage setups separate.

RAID has a number of different solutions. Wiki explains best:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

Basically RAID 0 takes 2 identical drives and combines them ie: 2x120gb SSD's would show as 240gb - if one fails, all 240gb would technically "fail".

RAID 1 takes 2 identical drives and mirrors them ie: 2x120gb SSD's would show as 120gb - if one drive fails, the other contains an exact replica (thus redundancy)

RAID 0+1 combines both above but requires (for example) 4x120gb drives - 2 to combine, and 2 to mirror the combination.

Hope this helps
Okay i'll go with this :
  • Intel I7 2600k
  • Corsair 600t
  • Corsair H70
  • Corsair SSD 120GB
  • Corsair AX850
  • Corsair Dominator GT 7-7-7-20 4GB Start with 4GB
  • HD Caviar 2TB x2
  • Gigabyte Motherboard GA-p67A-UD4
  • LG GHLS50 Dvd W/R
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  • 1,548.27 USD

Note: This is withouth video card, since AMD announced it is going to release the 6990 mid Feb i'm going to stick with my 4870x2 for another month

Acceptable?

EDIT: Also can someone give me a black really good fan (price doesnt matter) + red cables for the PSU
Edited by GRoger - 1/12/11 at 7:33am
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Looks good.I would have suggested this RAM kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231433
but the Corsairs will be fine.Just out of curiousity have you considering running crossfired 6950's? Unlocked to 6970 specs this is one of the best available options for your money.
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with that budget I would go with a 980x and a rampage 3 extreme, gtx 580, 120gb ocz ssd, 2tb wd black hdd, and 6gb corsair dominator ddr3 to go with that case and psu. 980x dominates all
 
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post #28 of 30
A 980x Plus a Rampage is way overkill for a gaming rig, and design secondary.

The 2600k is the best bang for buck, it will game, handle any design / rendering work really well.

He'd be better off going dual 580's + the 2600k, though for 1080p resolution, I would still stick with a single 570, and spend more on a really good 27"- 30" monitor.
Edited by 2010rig - 1/12/11 at 2:02pm
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AX1200? If you had the money, never really need to upgrade your PSU ever.
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Lill update:

I ordered my pc:
  • Intel I7 2600k
  • Cooler Master HAF X instead of the Corsair 600t Good choice?
  • Corsair H70
  • Corsair SSD 120GB
  • Corsair AX850
  • Corsair Dominator GT 7-7-7-20 4GB
  • HD Caviar 2TB
  • Gigabyte Motherboard GA-p67A-UD4
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