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I previously had a free gpu slot in my gaming rig, so I stuck in a GTS450 for some easy folding points, I did this because I like to keep my gaming rig on 24/7 anyway considering that I do a lot of dvd encoding and sometimes liek to jump on for some gaming sessions of minecraft or tf2 ...

Anyways, I have some spare cash on hand and a spare Cooler Master Silent Pro 600W PSU, which I think would make for quite a decent 24/7 folding PSU... So I thought that I could put a small rig together to complement my GTS450 in my gaming rig... this is what I have been envisioning, and I will be buying all of these items at my local computer market (I live in China ), besides the PSU of course considering that I already have it...
  • Good bang for the buck folding CPU/Cheap CPU that is compatible with my board
  • Cheapish mobo with a bunch of GPU slots
  • 4GB of RAM that I can get a good deal on
  • As many 8800GTX's that my PSU & mobo can support
  • Really cheap and small HDD that is a good deal
  • Really cheap DVD Burner that is a good deal
  • Cooler Master Silent Pro 600W
  • Really cheap case that is a good deal/block of wood with stand-offs screwed in

Questions...
  • Do you guys think that I should choose a CPU which is decent at folding or should I just get a cheap CPU that can support my mobo?
  • What model of CPU would you recommend then?
  • What is the most 8800GTX's that my PSU can handle?
  • What is a cheapish mobo that has enough GPU slots to fit ^that many 8800GTX's?

TYVM for any help
post #2 of 15
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anyone?
post #3 of 15
dont bump like, moments after you first post, people will come to your aid, you got to remember, most people here are americans, and im in UK and its 10AM, its going to be like 4AM in usa at least.

errr i think youd be better to just run a cpu that accomodates your mobo, and then running 2 i think, theres a PSU calculator on here, do a spec. google search.
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post #4 of 15
Your CPU decision depends entirely on how much you pay for electricity and how much you are willing to spend. Most people look to buy the highest ppd/W CPU they can afford to minimize their recurring costs.

Right now, the best mainstream processor is the 2600k @ ~50kppd & 240ppd/W. After that, you'd be looking at the 1055T @ ~15k ppd & 100ppd/W. The 2600k would require a new motherboard, while you can use the 1055T with your current Asus.

Your PSU allows 480W on the 12V rail. I think the GTS450 draws ~100W and the 8800GTX ~150W, so assuming your CPU uses ~150W, you can probably squeeze in two 8800s, but it would be tight. If you overclock, you might be limited to a single 8800GTX.

For the mobo - any motherboard with at least three 4x slots would be fine. A 1x slot might even do, but some graphics cards will refuse to run in a 1x slot for no apparent reason.
Edited by thefreeaccount - 1/11/11 at 2:55am
post #5 of 15
you might want to consider my project Fire Sail. you wont need the 6 gpus or the ribbon cables but that is a very good option if you don't want to do CPU folding. it's just enough power on the cpu to push the GPU's.

click the link in my sig, and you'll see what i'm using.
post #6 of 15
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I think that some of you have misunderstood what I am getting at... The gts450 is in my gaming rig and is going to be the only thing in that rig that will be folding (my gaming rig is my sig rig) and I am thinking of building an entirely separate PC that will be dedicated to folding using my CM Silent 600W... I hope that clears the air about some of your comments such as "get the 1055T since it is compatible with your motherboard", considering that my gaming rig is fine the way it is ATM and that the folding rig is a separate rig and that I am not going to throw in a $200 CPU (I don't have that much cash at hand-that is why I am wanting to buy 8800GTX's and not more GTS450's), into a rig that is just for folding, especially considering that it will be better than the one in my gaming rig... I hope this does not make me sound unappreciative of the time and effort that you have given me, because I am surely grateful, and if it has... I apologize

EDIT: I am actually going to the electronics market in about... 15 hours or so, so once I come back from there with a failed Hard Drive that I bought, which I will return under means of warranty, I will also come back with an idea of pricing and the parts that I will buy...

EDIT#2: These are the funds that I will probably have
  • I currently have $400 sitting in my miniature safe at home left over from b'day and christmas
  • Getting maybe $50-$75 from my Mum for a 500GB Maxtor External Hard Drive
  • I also get ~$20/week pocket money
So essentially by the end of the week I will have ~$500 from weeks pocket money, safe funds and EXHD sale... Then obviously as I wait longer I will get more and more cash and of course I can do some local computer jobs such as setting up Wi-Fi networks for like $20/installation (this is probably the thing I hate most about computing- setting up a wireless router in Chinese with some model you have never worked with before :O )... This whole thing got me thinking that it would just be so much easier if I just sold some of the crap that I have got lying around here and buy some stuff for my gaming rig instead like a mobo with more slots on it and buy 2 nice folding GPU's, possibly even a new CPU that I can fold on and off on and a beefy modular PSU... This got me excited in thinking that I can sell of the following items on a local Chinese ebay where I found that people were selling *used* AMD Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition's for the same price as I can get a *new* AMD Phenom II x6 1055T at the electronics market LOL... FREE UPGRADE!!! Anyways, if I were to get new folding gpu's a new psu, a new mobo and a new cpu then I could sell the following items (this includes a random GPU I have lying around)...
  • AMD Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition
  • Asus M4A79XTD Evo
  • Colorful GeForce GTS 450
  • MSI Passively Cooled GeForce 7600GS
  • Cooler Master GX 750W
  • Cooler Master Silent Pro 600W
All of the above items sell for a total of ~$630 *used*... which should allow me to upgrade without even dipping into my safe or EXHD money, or even my pocket money, meaning that I don't have to do dreadful Wi-Fi network crap!!! (well at least I hope so)... After the calculations it seems as though I am able to purchase the following items (with cash to spare) from just the funds obtained from the sale of them items above...
  • AMD Phenom II x6 1055T
  • Asus M4A79T Deluxe
  • 2 x 8800GTX's
  • Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W (might get some other PSU, that just seemed to be one of the better ones at the market last time I checked)
What do you guys think about just folding on the (2) 8800GTX's and my 1055T when I am not using it for gaming/encoding all on my gaming rig, instead of folding on the GTS 450 + CPU & cards from a separate rig, all without dipping into any other funds besides those from the sale of parts which would not be in use? I personally think that it is a DARN GOOD idea ...

EDIT#3:
I just checked out the wattage and a 1000W continuous PSU is overkill for this system (I am still going with it though just to be safe) meaning that I will have no worries with my 5850 + 2x 24/7 folding GPU's on my board... And I guess if I have enough cash, I may sway more towards 2x GTS450's considering that it will pull more PPD and I may only have to take at most $50 out of my safe money on top of the sale money... So essentially this is what my rig should look like after I am done (like I said before, I am going to the market tomorrow where I will do further investigation)... (Also it is important to remember that I am just modifying my SIG RIG and am not building a second system now...)

*Note* The items in BOLD are the ones that I need to purchase...
  • AMD Phenom II x6 1055T
  • Asus M4A79T Deluxe
  • Team Elite 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3/1600
  • Asus Radeon HD 5850 | 2 x EVGA GeForce GTS 450
  • Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
  • G.Skill Phoenix Pro 60GB | 4 x Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB in RAID 5
  • LG GH22NS50
  • Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
  • Cooler Master 690 II
  • Corsair H50 in Akasa Apache Push/Pull
  • 4-Port LCD Pannel Fan Controller
  • Extra 1 x 140mm Fan | 3 x 120mm Fans

Edited by stinky - 1/11/11 at 7:22am
post #7 of 15
I was just trying to say for the bang for the $ you would be better off with the GTS450's especially with the 600 watt PSU.

the reason why I said look @ my build was because it has the low cost processor, 60 bucks, that would be able to power the farm you're trying to build. 600watts is a tight constraint and honestly, I don't see running 4 of them on that PSU. They take up too much power.

I would consider saving and buying the GTS 450's. I have 4 running right now on 1 600 watt psu and plenty of power to spare and getting about 9K off of them right now vs. the 9800GTX at 5-6k.

just my .02c.

If you dead set on getting the 8800gtx's then, i would say you could prob. only get 2 mmmmaaayybe 3 but i think that would be pushing it.
post #8 of 15
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So what do you guys think of just modifying my sig rig to look like this by selling the parts in which will be replaced and currently unused items? (This means that I will not be building a new system, just modifying my gaming/encoding rig to be able to support 2x 24/7 folding cards and an on/off folding CPU...)

*Note* The items in BOLD are the ones that I need to purchase...
  • AMD Phenom II x6 1055T
  • Asus M4A79T Deluxe
  • Team Elite 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3/1600
  • Asus Radeon HD 5850 | 2 x EVGA GeForce GTS 450
  • Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
  • G.Skill Phoenix Pro 60GB | 4 x Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB in RAID 5
  • LG GH22NS50
  • Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W
  • Cooler Master 690 II
  • Corsair H50 in Akasa Apache Push/Pull
  • 4-Port LCD Pannel Fan Controller
  • Extra 1 x 140mm Fan | 3 x 120mm Fans
post #9 of 15
I'm very glad to see you're serious about the PSU. I already killed one with my F3 rig. Please click on the F3 link in my sig to read some of what I went through with that rig. It is a mixed bag of fun ... then the F1 rig has a 1055t x6 + 2 gpus running. I did no trickerey with that setup, just fired up the FAH GPU Tracker and told it to work... you can see how both systems are faring ppd-wise via the hfm link...

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post #10 of 15
Well, as I mentioned previously, I would encourage you to evaluate hardware in terms of ppd/$$ and ppd/W. That will give you the most bang for your buck.

For your system:
1055t 13k ppd 200W
2x GTS 450 15k ppd 160W
Total: 28k ppd 360W
80 ppd/W
28 ppd/$

Not sure how much electricity runs over there or how long you plan to keep your system, but here it's ~15c / kWh and I usually plan for a two-year upgrade cycle. So over a two-year period, that's $550 for hardware + $475 in electricity (360W * 24hr * 365d * 2yr /1000 * 0.15) = $1000. Or 28 ppd/$. The advantage to this system is that you can always add more GTS450 and your ppd will go up while the overall ppd/W & ppd/$ will stay pretty much the same.

Now, the GTX 460 gives better ppd/W & ppd/$ at the moment, but it also costs more. If electricity is cheap, you can look for an unlockable GTX465, which is lower in ppd/W but gives more ppd/$.One other thing you might want to consider is waiting a few months for the ATI client to come out. ATI cards will probably give much higher ppd/$ & ppd/W.

Now consider a 2600k system:
2600k 50k ppd 225W
220 ppd / W
65 ppd / $

Not sure what prices are like over there, but here you'd be looking at $450 for CPU/Mobo + $300 in electricity = $750. Or 65 ppd / $. If you want to make this a dedicated system, you can do so for not much more money - all you need is some RAM and an old PSU (let me know if you need I can send a nice old 400W). You don't need a case. For a hard drive, you can use any old flash drive you have laying around.

Then there is the hard-to-quantify e-peen factor...to reach the top 20 at the moment, you need ~70k ppd, which would be a 2600k + a little help from something else. For top 50, anything 30k+ ppd will suffice.

I'm not saying 'get this' or 'get that'...the GTS 450 system is fine. I'm just hopefully showing you how to figure out what you want to buy. Apologies if you already know this and/or it's not relevant.
Edited by thefreeaccount - 1/13/11 at 10:45am
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