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Nice.



I absolutely agree that the only way to really learn Linux is, as much as is by any means possible, stay out of Windoze and start to depend on Linux, to find the alternatives that work for you. I did that years ago by simply making Linux the default boot option qurg a 0.7 second delay so I had to really want to hit that Esc key ahead of time to stop the timer and select Windoesn't. Do what ya gotta do.



Here's an option that may help with getting motivated to boot Linux as well as focus on Network Security. A large part of the future of Linux is in dedicated niche operating systems (eg: Science, Engineering, Gaming, ATMs, Telephones, etc) because no other OpSys can be so utterly customized. There is a LiveDVD distro that is designed with a wide assortment of dedicated Networking Tools. some of which are dangerous. (aside - Man! I wish the Nessus suite was still free!) Anyway it is Backtrack4 and it is HERE . Check it out. You will love it.
I am quite aware of Backtrack and yes...I wish Nessus was still free as well. I heard you are quite the Slackware guru, I was reading another post, and it made me want to use slackware again, I'll probably throw that in a virtual machine once I get my main distro loaded up. Before Linux, I actually started originally with FreeBSD, so I was more used to the BSD way of editing .rc files.

Also, I like how slackware (not sure about now) didn't automate everything for you, I remember having to mount my own devices, now most distros automate it for you, which isn't a bad thing, but I'd rather the OS test you and make you learn how to do it through the command line rather than doing it for your right off the bat, like an interactive quiz to say, "okay, you are ready to use the GUI since you know how to do the basics through the command line" Maybe I should make that distro haha
    
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Ubuntu and Debian operate almost entirely the same, with the exception of release dates and package names. For the most part Debian = Ubuntu... I just say use Debian because I think it runs smoother and you will learn about the exact same things. You can even run Debian to act and look almost exactly like Ubuntu, I mean if you get Gnome and the software center it will fell/look/act just like Ubuntu. I just think Debian releases better stuff.
I actually may just end up running Fedora as my main distro for now since I am going to have to build a server using it in my class that starts next week. I may just throw on ubuntu or mint on a virtual machine just to get used to the different distro packages so I have a good all around understanding of how to set up and do the basics of each one. So, maybe I'll throw on ubuntu/mint, slackware, gentoo, and FreeBSD/PC-BSD (can't forgot about me BSD!). Just so I get used to the different package/port managers in each one.
    
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Greetz
Gotta clear a few important details

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I am quite aware of Backtrack and yes...I wish Nessus was still free as well. I heard you are quite the Slackware guru, I was reading another post, and it made me want to use slackware again, I'll probably throw that in a virtual machine once I get my main distro loaded up. Before Linux, I actually started originally with FreeBSD, so I was more used to the BSD way of editing .rc files.
I am no guru since there are so very many levels above me. It is only that I've spent more than a decade blundering around with Slack as my main OpSys. BTW it is my understanding that Slackware's editing of .rc files is totally based on BSD.

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Also, I like how slackware (not sure about now) didn't automate everything for you, I remember having to mount my own devices, now most distros automate it for you, which isn't a bad thing, but I'd rather the OS test you and make you learn how to do it through the command line rather than doing it for your right off the bat, like an interactive quiz to say, "okay, you are ready to use the GUI since you know how to do the basics through the command line" Maybe I should make that distro haha
Automounting is in Slackware too since it is basically supported in the Linux kernel through HAL and udev. It is then implemented by some applications. For example using the newer default KDE file manger, Dolphin, all mountable partitions are automounted in /media and displayed on the left border of Dolphin itself, while the older manager, kfmclient, does not automount.

On top of that the automounting is somewhat virtual in that the partition entries are like placeholders and what is contained is not there until you look there (click on the partition) upon which time it is mounted on the fly. I don't know the exact process. This is just an empirical observation but for example symlinks in my home directory to directories on other partitions do not work until I have first looked in that partition and then they are activated. Under some conditions it expires and the link is released since as far as it is concerned, the mount point no longer exists. This is not a Slackware thing. It happens in every recent distro I have explored.

As for CLI, it is where the power (and some of the speed) is at, but there is a good reason that the boys at PARC utterly blew Steve Jobs' mind when he saw GUI and why old timers at Zerox still whip themselves before breakfast every day.

The convenience of this undeclared automounting is undeniable. However it is also a pita and points out the losses that accompany automatics. If you open a console you cannot navigate to some partitions under some conditions. At lower runlevels such as in a maintenance or recovery mode, they simply don't exist and must be hard mounted the old skool way. I'm just really grateful a few aficionados turned me on to Slackware so I would learn the important basic nuts and bolts. They are thankfully still there in Slack even though some automatics are creeping in.
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Im not that experienced with Linux and other OS's but I really like Ubuntu 10.10 for every thing except gaming.
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On top of that the automounting is somewhat virtual in that the partition entries are like placeholders and what is contained is not there until you look there (click on the partition) upon which time it is mounted on the fly.
I know Nautilus does this by default, but I didn't notice this functionality in Dolphin. Perhaps it needs to be configured to do so. I need to go digging
    
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I know Nautilus does this by default, but I didn't notice this functionality in Dolphin. Perhaps it needs to be configured to do so. I need to go digging
I don't know if it's changed much but I think you have to actually specify each individual drive to automount when it's connected in Dolphin though. It's interesting though that it will automount USB connected drives regardless but not internal SATA/IDE connected HDDs unless you tell it. Though I see no point in mounting a HDD when I don't need it so I don't automount. But what I mean by automount sounds different then what enorbet is talking about. I couldn't imagine having to do it through terminal. This is one area that I'm glad is done in GUIs. I'm all for the ease/control/speed gains to the user regardless of whether that's achieved in GUIs or CLI. Which is why I use CLI for package management. Can't stand the GUI versions in distros because they always break.
     
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In regards to automounting until recently when I went back to declaring specific drives mounted in specific ways in the "/mnt" directory and back to Krusader for file management, upon opening Dolphin all my partitions were listed, but as I mentioned, not actually fully mounted.

It is rare when I have to mount via CLI but it isn't at all hard. One of the problems I mentioned has to do with symlinking which is an incredibly powerful and useful tool. It is much more than Windoze shortcuts. Using hard mounts from "/etc/fstab" solves symlink issues I had.

Example: I always install nVidia's driver with it's own installer and I drop out of X, back to multi-user console (runlevel 3 in Slack) to run it. If it is in "$HOME/downloads" where "downloads" is a symlink to a drive not automounted yet, "you can't get there from here". So you either have to mount it manually or have it declared in fstab in order to access the installer.

BTW things that you do a lot are easily scripted and placed on your desktop or in your menu. Let's say you prefer the Konqueror version of the file manager especially when you want it in Super User mode. You create a text file that looks like this

Code:
##/bin/bash
##konqueror script for SU Filemanagement
##konqsu.sh
kdesu kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
###
save it as something like "konqsu.sh" and make it executable and then you can either type it in console, launch it from "Run", or set it as an icon on your desktop, the exact manner depending on your DE.

This is old news to many here but hopefully some will find this new and useful.
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