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I would suggest a Corsair H50/H60/H70 to cool the cpu if you want to stay quiet. It's liquid but it's a totally closed system and doesn't require any maintenance.
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This would be wonderful if we were discussing storage solutions only, but we are talking about the whole computer, so congratulations on talking about one item.

and since when do SSD's last longer then hard drives? Last time i checked they start losing performance pretty quick, compared to a hard drive which keeps the performance pretty much up to the day it dies.

If you were to do read write cycles over and over again an SSD would die long before a hard drive.
Are you implying that if I want to contribute to the thread that I have to discuss everything instead of one component at a time? Stop fishing.

Also, you're wrong about the SSD. Go read up on TRIM and if you feel like you need to come back and troll more I'm just going to report and move on.
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Sorry, I'll slow it down so that the contribution is more evident.


OP: It is definitely worthwhile to get at least a 60GB SSD for your OS. It's one of the best performance upgrades you can make and it's well worth the money. Speed isn't the only benefit to an SSD. There are lots of reasons to make it worth the investment. Such as:

Faster read/write times.
Faster spin-up times.
Faster access time.
Lower read latency.
No sound at all because of no moving parts.
Last longer because of no moving parts.
Read performance same for all sector because it's solid-state (no moving parts). (read consistency time)
SSDs require a fraction of the power that HDDs do.
Much less likely to fail from shock or any movement (no moving parts).
No need to read sequentially so no need to defrag, ever.
Not susceptible to magnets.
Can be completely erased/formatted.
Smaller in form factor and weight.

Hopefully I've contributed to the thread a little bit.
Since when did SSD's have spin up time? The magnet theory is a myth, you cannot erase a hard drive with normal magnets from things like computer speakers. Most of them are shielded anyways to prevent the disruption of the magnetic field in CRT monitors (hence the degauss button/option). But most of us don't own a CRT monitor anyways. To really erase your normal hard disk with plates you would need a rare Earth magnet like the one in your hard drive. Even then it would have to be big enough so that the field of the magnet would be strong enough to erase the drive.


"4. Is the main difference between SSD pricing due to increasing costs at higher storage levels (32gb -> 128gb), or are there actually performance differences like in hard drives? I see prices from 50 to 450, which seems a little crazy for 100gigs of space."

It's due to demand, storage costs, and speed. SLC SSD's will be faster than MLC but it will also cost more and provide less space. So you will see more MLC drives being sold on the likes of NewEgg than you would SLC drives. SSD's aren't mainstream yet, the only reason you'd want one is to boot into your OS faster and fast read/write/transfer speeds. But a normal hard drive is fine and better if you need more space than you do speed. But I wouldn't go with anything less than 120GB if you want a boot up drive for Windows. Applications take up quite a bit of space. It's up to you to decide if you need that extra speed though.
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Are you implying that if I want to contribute to the thread that I have to discuss everything instead of one component at a time? Stop fishing.

Also, you're wrong about the SSD. Go read up on TRIM and if you feel like you need to come back and troll more I'm just going to report and move on.
nvm, go have fun believing that SSD's last longer then hard drives.
why do you think you can't have a page file on an SSD? to many read write cycles, kills the drive very quick.
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nvm, go have fun believing that SSD's last longer then hard drives.
why do you think you can't have a page file on an SSD? to many read write cycles, kills the drive very quick.
Please stop trying to spread misinformation. You can have a pagefile with an SSD. People chose to move the pagefile off of the drive to squeeze out as much performance as possible. I've see estimations that the lifespan of a quality SSD is about 100 years.
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But I wouldn't go with anything less than 120GB if you want a boot up drive for Windows. Applications take up quite a bit of space. It's up to you to decide if you need that extra speed though.
I got a 120GB drive for OS and apps and it is less than half full with everything installed on it except my games. I would say anything 60GB and up is good.

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why do you think you can't have a page file on an SSD? to many read write cycles, kills the drive very quick.
this isn't true with current gen SSD controllers, the newer intel and sandforce drives will handle the pagefile just fine without any more degradation than an HDD.

I have to say, if I where building a budget build and had a little extra to spend on a single item it would be an SSD before CPU or GPU, it definitely has made the most noticeable difference of any upgrade I have ever gotten.
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Please stop trying to spread misinformation. You can have a pagefile with an SSD. People chose to move the pagefile off of the drive to squeeze out as much performance as possible. I've see estimations that the lifespan of a quality SSD is about 100 years.
I don't think that takes into consideration using it nonstop, otherwise why would there be a lifespan on CD's you write to them once.
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Since when did SSD's have spin up time?
Whoops! Haha nice catch. You knew what I meant .
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I don't think that takes into consideration using it nonstop, otherwise why would there be a lifespan on CD's you write to them once.
why would any drive be written to non-stop at max speeds ever? that just doesn't happen.

however, MLC drives will last about 5-10 years being used non-stop at max speed and SLC drives will last 30+ years being used non-stop at max speeds.

when you extend that to real life and say that you used the drive 8 hours a day at max speed (which is still WAY more than realistic) that means the MLC drives will last about 15-30 years, and slc will last 90+ years. that is well beyond the typical mechanical HDD and well beyond the time it will take for the tech. to be obsolete and ready for upgrade anyway.
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nvm, go have fun believing that SSD's last longer then hard drives.
why do you think you can't have a page file on an SSD? to many read write cycles, kills the drive very quick.
Umm troll more?

SSD's will last just as long or longer than normal Hard Drives.

Honestly, when was the last time you came on here and saw a thread "O halp me, my SSD died!!".

Now compare to the number of dead hard drive threads.
The fact that there are no moving parts on an SSD not only make it faster but more durable.

Stop spreading misinformation
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