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Hello, so I've decided to build a computer for the first time. I'm on about a $1500 budget, so it's a decent amount. I'm interested in trying out the Sandy Bridge, currently considering the 2600k. But before all of this, I have a few questions:

For the motherboard: Any notable difference between each SB board?

How do one ram card different from another? (are there significant differences between the speeds?)

How much of a difference would a SSD make?
Edited by monkey300012 - 1/11/11 at 4:12pm
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First off welcome to OCN. What do you want to use the computer for?

1.) Well each board has different features. The main difference between motherboards is its ability to overclock which I'm guessing you're going to since you are considering the 2600K. The more power phases a board has the better it overclocks.

2.) I'm guessing by ram card you mean a stick of ram. Each ram has different settings i.e. My ram is DDR3 running at 1600Mhz with a cas latency of 8 and requires 1.65 volts to run stable (at least that's what the spec sheets say). For sandy bridge you'll need DDR3 ram that runs up to 2133Mhz (honestly though you won't notice a difference between 2133Mhz and 1600Mhz so I would just save the money and pick up a 1600Mhz kit).

3.) SSD are the most noticeable upgrade you can make on a PC.
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First off welcome to OCN. What do you want to use the computer for?

1.) Well each board has different features. The main difference between motherboards is its ability to overclock which I'm guessing you're going to since you are considering the 2600K. The more power phases a board has the better it overclocks.

2.) I'm guessing by ram card you mean a stick of ram. Each ram has different settings i.e. My ram is DDR3 running at 1600Mhz with a cas latency of 8 and requires 1.65 volts to run stable (at least that's what the spec sheets say). For sandy bridge you'll need DDR3 ram that runs up to 2133Mhz (honestly though you won't notice a difference between 2133Mhz and 1600Mhz so I would just save the money and pick up a 1600Mhz kit).

3.) SSD are the most noticeable upgrade you can make on a PC.
Thanks! Well, first of all, gaming. But I'm planning to major in some sort of computer related field, so it'd be nice to have the potential to really just multitask and all. I'm somewhat interested in water cooling; and am considering SLI. I'm looking at a single GTX470 right now, but seeing that there's the GALAXY GTX460 for $140, I might consider dueling them.
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Thanks! Well, first of all, gaming. But I'm planning to major in some sort of computer related field, so it'd be nice to have the potential to really just multitask and all. I'm somewhat interested in water cooling; and am considering SLI. I'm looking at a single GTX470 right now, but seeing that there's the GALAXY GTX460 for $140, I might consider dueling them.
Well if you have the extra bones go for the 2600K, HT is pretty nice when it comes to multitasking (as long as the programs your using are multithreading applications that is ).

I haven't looked much into the P67 motherboards yet as I'm not going to be investing in the platform but I've always had good experiences with Gigabyte and this board will run SLI at x16 x8. I couldn't tell you if this is the best bang for your buck, hopefully someone else will jump in a give a better recommendation.

Wow, GTX460's have really dropped in price , I bought mine for $240 USD. I love my 460's, they max any game I throw at them (including Metro 2033 and Crysis), although most people say buy the best single card you can get and then later down the road upgrade. With that said, 460 SLI will beat a single 570 (by a little bit) but you now have the option to upgrade when you need more horse power. The main draw back I have with my 460's is my board didn't separate the PCI-e slots enough so they are right on top of each other. My top card gets significantly warmer then the bottom one and limits how much I can overclock them. If I were you I would get a 570 or if your budget allows it a 580.
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Well if you have the extra bones go for the 2600K, HT is pretty nice when it comes to multitasking (as long as the programs your using are multithreading applications that is ).

I haven't looked much into the P67 motherboards yet as I'm not going to be investing in the platform but I've always had good experiences with Gigabyte and this board will run SLI at x16 x8. I couldn't tell you if this is the best bang for your buck, hopefully someone else will jump in a give a better recommendation.

Wow, GTX460's have really dropped in price , I bought mine for $240 USD. I love my 460's, they max any game I throw at them (including Metro 2033 and Crysis), although most people say buy the best single card you can get and then later down the road upgrade. With that said, 460 SLI will beat a single 570 (by a little bit) but you now have the option to upgrade when you need more horse power. The main draw back I have with my 460's is my board didn't separate the PCI-e slots enough so they are right on top of each other. My top card gets significantly warmer then the bottom one and limits how much I can overclock them. If I were you I would get a 570 or if your budget allows it a 580.
Ah.. I don't really want to push another $100 for a better card. The reason I would SLI over the 570 is because the 460 is on a $60 rebate, so taking advantage of it would be nice. Do you have any cases to recommend? And for cooling, what options are there/work well?
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Ah.. I don't really want to push another $100 for a better card. The reason I would SLI over the 570 is because the 460 is on a $60 rebate, so taking advantage of it would be nice. Do you have any cases to recommend? And for cooling, what options are there/work well?
I see, then yeah go for the 460 SLI setup, great performance with these cards. Cooler master makes some nice budget cases, the HAF series are awesome. Well with a $1500 budget you're pretty much stuck with air cooling with is fine with the 2600K, these chips are apparently good overclockers on air.
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Would you know if the Kingston SSDNow V 2.5" series of SSD any good?
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Would you know if the Kingston SSDNow V 2.5" series of SSD any good?
I actually haven't heard much about this drive. If you're going to use the drive for the OS and applications get a sandforce drive (i.e. OCZ Vertex 2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-550-_-Product

or the C300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-358-_-Product

The C300 is the only drive right now to actually utilize SATA 6Gbps bandwidth. The only problem is no SATA 6Gbps controller supports TRIM at the moment and have slower access times then the intel south bridge. The good news is SSD's have amazing access times as it is and the slower controller really won't affect performance that much. Also the C300 has really nice garbage collection which is a nice substitute for TRIM.
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This seems like a nice price point though O:

http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-64g...218194457.html
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This seems like a nice price point though O:

http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-64g...218194457.html
Here is a review comparing the C300, Vertex 2 and the ssdNow v series:
http://www.ssdreview.com/ssd-review/...benchmark.html

It is a nice drive and you will definitely see a huge difference between a SSD and a HDD. But if you can throw the extra cash for the Vertex 2 or C300 I would.
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