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I don't think I'm getting through to you here, I don't care what their stupid "license agreement" says. The console is MINE, and so is the copy of the software on it.
No. Bypassing copy protection is illegal in the US under DMCA.

There seems to be this horrible sense of self-entitlement on this forum. Just because you pay for something doesn't give you free will to do what you want with it.

Its Sony fail for having a root key the same on all systems, but Geohot is fail for releasing it knowing full well that people will pirate video games and blu ray movies, adversely affecting something that we all enjoy.

I don't really care about anyone's opinion, so please don't quote me regarding it. If you quote me, then make sure its objective:

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The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on October 12, 1998 by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended Title 17 of the United States Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of the providers of on-line services for copyright infringement by their users.
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Again, I hate those that pirate. This isn't even about him wanting to "Install Linux onto his PS3(Why the f^^k would anyone want to, its slow as all hell), but this is about him stroking is fat ass ego...the narcissist..

If this has adverse effects on Sony's business model, then this guy and all constituents are toast..
Edited by BizzareRide - 1/12/11 at 7:20pm
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Sony whines and cries lawyer every time someone reverses changes they made for the worse or simply disallowed with most any of their hardware.
 
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No. Bypassing copy protection is illegal in the US under DMCA.

There seems to be this horrible sense of self-entitlement on this forum. Just because you pay for something doesn't give you free will to do what you want with it.

Its Sony fail for having a root key the same on all systems, but Geohot is fail for releasing it knowing full well that people will pirate video games and blu ray movies, adversely affecting something that we all enjoy.

I don't really care about anyone's opinion, so please don't quote me regarding it. If you quote me, then make sure its objective:



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If this has adverse effects on Sony's business model, then this guy and all constituents are toast..
Sony isnt going to get anything done with this lawsuit.
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Sony isnt going to get anything done with this lawsuit.
You're right. They won't.

Everyone's going to have their own opinion on this matter, and we're many pages into this fact. Here's what needs to be understood:

Whether you condone or applaud the works that these 'programmers' have completed is not the issue at hand. The issue is that we're about to enter a lawsuit that could single handedly change the console industry. Sony has tried this crap before. They tried it with betamax and got nowhere. They are trying it now with the circumvention of their code (i.e. "hacking"), and will also likely go nowhere. However, assuming this goes to court, this will assess whether or not the end user has a legal right to install and circumvent specified programming code on a rightfully purchased system to allow for other uses that do not trespass on copyright laws (piracy). This has been a legal grey area for years and could now be finalized with a court decision. Until the courts rule in either favor, I will not be doing anything with my console that it wasn't designed for. I'm not saying you have to do the same, I'm not looking to write this for pious reasons, Im just saying I'm going to let this play out in the legal system.
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why does everyone act like sony is the bad guy here lol
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you can't fight the money.
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why does everyone act like sony is the bad guy here lol
You're asking this question in a forum of people who like to buy locked processors, adjust internal clock settings, and have the performance of a chip that costs three times as much on the shelf. Now, try to sue everyone on here for internally adjusting their locked processor to achieve more than was advertised, and you'll quickly see the point.
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Sony isnt going to get anything done with this lawsuit.
Based on what? Your opinion?

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You're right. They won't.

Everyone's going to have their own opinion on this matter, and we're many pages into this fact. Here's what needs to be understood:

Whether you condone or applaud the works that these 'programmers' have completed is not the issue at hand. The issue is that we're about to enter a lawsuit that could single handedly change the console industry. Sony has tried this crap before. They tried it with betamax and got nowhere. They are trying it now with the circumvention of their code (i.e. "hacking"), and will also likely go nowhere. However, assuming this goes to court, this will assess whether or not the end user has a legal right to install and circumvent specified programming code on a rightfully purchased system to allow for other uses that do not trespass on copyright laws (piracy). This has been a legal grey area for years and could now be finalized with a court decision. Until the courts rule in either favor, I will not be doing anything with my console that it wasn't designed for. I'm not saying you have to do the same, I'm not looking to write this for pious reasons, Im just saying I'm going to let this play out in the legal system.
He made publicly available a circumvention method to DRM that will allow end-users to play pirated games. Whether or not his intention was to "Install Linux" doesn't matter.

If he kept this to himself, then no harm done and all he would have been out of would be the "fame and prestige" that comes along with "rocking the establishment", but since he released it to the general public I think he becomes liable for damages.
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absolutely shocking that Sony thinks they can do something about someone hacking a console that they own, and sharing what they learned about their device to others.

DCMA has set legal precedent otherwise, but it still shocks me.
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If he kept this to himself, then no harm done and all he would have been out of would be the "fame and prestige" that comes along with "rocking the establishment", but since he released it to the general public I think he becomes liable for damages.
You have a perfectly valid point. However, because of the "fame and prestige" he wanted, he has now set the trap for a lawsuit that could finally decide whether or not what he (or anyone who has used the hack) did was right or wrong. If what he did is proven to be of just cause in court, we now know that we can essentially install homebrew. If he is proven to be wrong, you bet he's liable for damages.
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