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Woot, my 6950 just came in today. Gonna unlock it to a 6970, load up 5760x1080 and see what happens! I may just have to buy another one.
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So basically 6970s and 6950s pwn the 570s and 580s in F1 2010 since it favors AMD cards and the GTX 580 and GTX 570 pwn the 6970 and 6950 in every other game even at 5760x1200? I already thought the ROPs couldn't keep up with the 2GB VRAM buffer.

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i hope people will read the review and notice the changing in settings. hardocp likes to find the best optimal setting for the gpu in question. don't look at just the scores or you will be fooled.
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Hi Children,

In today's lesson we're going to learn why [H]ard|OCP fails so bad.

Because they enable and disable antialiasing/change resolution for every card they test and yet they expect us to have a clue about the performance difference between them.

While 580 SLI run 5760x1200 and only 4X AA and 16AF, 6870 and 6960 run with 8X AA. Not only that... They decrease resolution to 5040x1050 when it comes to 570 SLI and drop antialising completely. Now that would give me perfect idea about how these cards perform compared to each other(!) Brilliant..

/sarcasm

Who choses these guys enthusiast anyway? I even take Semi Accurate's work over these...
Edited by Nautilus - 1/12/11 at 11:09am
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Hi Children,

In today's lesson we're going to learn why [H]ard|OCP fails so bad.

Because they enable and disable antialiasing/change resolution for every card they test and yet expect us to have a clue about the performance difference between them.

While 580 SLI runs 5760x1200 and only 4X AA and 16AF, 6870 and 6960 runs with 8X AA. Not only that... They decrease resolution when it comes to 570 SLI and drop antialising. Now that would give me idea about how these cards perform compared to each other(!) Brilliant..

/sarcasm

Who choses these guys enthusiast anyway? I even take Semi Accurate's work over these...
they tell you from the beginning, everytime, that they will use the cards at their best playable settings. the fail comes to those who don't have common sense and chose not to read an article with words. it's a review, not a dr. seus book.
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Great review. Hummm.

So, after reading this, is see that Nvidia ''high-end'' GPU, for ''high-end'' gaming system, is better for ''medium'' range gaming resolution of 1080p (since it's the most used resolution here). But AMD mid-range price (compared to the 580 price) GPU, the 6970, is the REAL high-end GPU for high-end gaming system with multiple screens set-ups and high-end resolutions. And Nvidia ''high-end'' 580, have LESS memory then the 6970, but is suppose to be the top of the line Nvidia card for top of the line game machine...

So the big question that comes to my minds is: why does Nvidia still ask that high price premium over the 6970? And for less video memory? And the other question is (and that one surprise me the most), why does people still buying 580 SLI? For (we hope) ''high-end gaming'', with high-end resolutions and multiple screens set-ups? But they get LESS memory, and on-par performance with 6970 Crossfire, but for a HIGHER price? In Canada, we talk about 300-400$ difference in price...

And the 6970 is ''fail''? Hummm.
Because the GTX 580 and the HD 6970 arent just for gaming with multiple screens only. How many percent of the users care about it ? 6970 is fail because the major of us are gaming with single monitor and we could get the GTX 570 which its on par with for better price. And GTX 580 ? It's the best card, unless u could find a single gpu that is faster than it.

I havent read the review and I dont intend to since people here said they didnt compare single monitor. But I trust that the 6970's in CFX are on par with 580's in SLI on multiple screen as u said without seeing the score and the setting myself, because I dont care enough about multiple screen and I heard that the current drivers for GTX 500 suk, the SLI scale hasnt been so good as for GTX 400 while CFX driver for HD 6970 is at its best, I hope the next AMD CFX drivers will always maintain this good and the 6900 users wont have to use this driver forever to have good SLI scale.

Gaming with multiple screens is high-end gaming ? This high-end gaming experience is stupid unless there were a borderless monitor. If I didnt dislike multi-gpu setup, I'd get two 580's for my single screen, so I can play Metro 2033 perfectly on 1080p and let them rape Crysis 2.
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No, I read it like this :

F1 2010: AMD wins no competition at all (580/570 are destroyed for less ca$h).
Civ 5: GTX 580s offers similar performance to 6970s while the GTX 580s take 4xAA and 6970s no AA.

Metro 2033: small lead from the GTX 580s
BF BC2: GTX 580s pwn the 6970s hard while taking 16xCSAA + 2x TrSSAA and the 6970s only do 4xAA.

Mafia II: GTX 580s pwn the 6970s hard with PhysX on high and PhysX off on the 6970s.

This indicates a small ROP bottleneck on the 6970s. With 2GB of VRAM it could be much better than this.

EDIT:




Not true either.

In F1 2010 the 570s bite the dust. In Civ 5 they beat the 6970s with a small margin while offering inf.% more performance at minimum FPS (Crap, I divided by zero ). In Metro 2033 the 6970s take a small lead, the same goes for BF BC2. in Mafia II there's no competition on AMD's side.

All of this with 768 MB less of VRAM......
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they tell you from the beginning, everytime, that they will use the cards at their best playable settings. the fail comes to those who don't have common sense and chose not to read an article with words. it's a review, not a dr. seus book.
Who's to decide what is "playable setting"? Are they only authority in video games and computer graphics? The term "playable setting" varies from person to person and thus such a versatile thing can't be the determiner of a benchmark. These benches have zero value.
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Lol @ bottleneck, this is my backup rig. I do have a i7 980x but sadly it is collecting dust due to my own water cooling snafu that I have been too lazy to fix/clean up.

At ~4.1 GHz, there is no visible bottleneck from either processor in video games, they perform identically.

@Parity
I totally agree that the Eyefinity and Surround should be compared, but thats weird that they only compared those two features no? The 5870 supported Eyefinity, and when the 480 came out (with NvSurround) there were single monitor comparisons with high resolution. I still don't quite understand why we don't see them here?

Its almost like a couple of these sites want to overly emphasize the AMDs, which isn't necessary, the 6970/6950 is very impressive especially at that price, only the less informed believe it was a failure @ launch.

Here finally found a single monitor high-res review / benchmark that actually uses 580 SLi as well:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1488/1/

Oddly enough they left out Multi-monitor support.
I'm guessing that [H] thought, "Right. These cards can obviously push big numbers on a single monitor. This time, we do the pushing."

Either that or we'll see single monitor performance in a separate article.

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Hi Children,

In today's lesson we're going to learn why [H]ard|OCP fails so bad.

Because they enable and disable antialiasing/change resolution for every card they test and yet they expect us to have a clue about the performance difference between them.

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/sarcasm

Who choses these guys enthusiast anyway? I even take Semi Accurate's work over these...
[H] do real world testing. They see how far each card can be pushed individually, which is exactly what owners of the cards will do.

They also do apples-to-apples tests to provide a level playing field in each test. Between the two types of tests, it does not take a huge amount of intelligence to see how the cards are performing.

If you're struggling with this.../shrug.
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[H] do real world testing. They see how far each card can be pushed individually, which is exactly what owners of the cards will do.

They also do apples-to-apples tests to provide a level playing field in each test. Between the two types of tests, it does not take a huge amount of intelligence to see how the cards are performing.

If you're struggling with this.../shrug.
read my reply post to soilentblue, same answer goes for you.

Right now i can drop AA and AF and run Heaven at 640x480 and claim it to be the real world setting for 6870 and beat the crap out of 580SLI. I mean how convenient is this?
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Who's to decide what is "playable setting"? Are they only authority in video games and computer graphics? The term "playable setting" varies from person to person and thus such a versatile thing can't be the determiner of a benchmark. These benches have zero value.
smooth frame progression is playable. these benches have value to people who know how to take from them what they are, benchmarks. if you like playing at 40fps then you know where you stand with these benches. so on and so forth. they did a decent review and help out the community by doing so. if you don't like it then by all means don't read it. still no reason to come in and bash up the review for people who actually take value in it.
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