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And this is why I prefer to keep my storage separate from my workstation. Too many design considerations if you try to merge both functions into one machine. If I were your friend, I'd go for two separate builds. A storage server doesn't really need much by way of resources anyway. Even a Celeron or Sempron would be more than good enough.

That is pretty smart. For a secondary build for storage, a simple mid-tower would probably suffice, or maybe a USB 3.0/eSATA external multi-bay enclosure. As long as there's enough space to hold more hard drives. A multi-bay enclosure would probably be better since it's not as expensive as a whole another rig, and still has room for expansion.
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yeah i've been looking at NAS(network attached storage) units, which on some can be accessed from any computer in the world, can keep your torrents running with your pc off, and can access through your laptop/lounge room tv etc. they can be tricky to setup(although getting easier) and theyre not the cheapest around but probably cheaper than another pc??
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I never exactly understood how to set up NAS. Is it set up using the main computer and then hooked up to the network, or do they have their own user-interface? Are they directly hooked up to the router using Ethernet, or wireless? The benefits are incredibly useful though.

I'm not sure about cheaper. You'd still have to fill it up with drives and a quick search doesn't seem to show any really cheap ones. You could probably setup a really cheap rig for the cost of a 4-bay enclosure.
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yeah well thats kinda why opted against them(although i was only after a 2 bay one with 2 3tb in), just thought i'd put it out there i'd go green drives too, not only will you save on purchase costs but if your mate has anything to do with paying power bills, he will save there(every bit counts)
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I never exactly understood how to set up NAS. Is it set up using the main computer and then hooked up to the network, or do they have their own user-interface? Are they directly hooked up to the router using Ethernet, or wireless? The benefits are incredibly useful though.

I'm not sure about cheaper. You'd still have to fill it up with drives and a quick search doesn't seem to show any really cheap ones. You could probably setup a really cheap rig for the cost of a 4-bay enclosure.
NAS runs separately from your PC, it's basically another PC with dedicated hard drives. You run it with Linux and FreeNAS.

If your friend needs more hard drive space I recommend him to get a Sans Digital tower and setup in JBOD through eSata. He can also setup the tower in RAID if he wanted to. It's a lot cheaper solution than pre-built NAS's and he can go for 16TB for a little over $1K. It's a lot easier to setup, just plug in your 8 hard drives and plug the two eSata cables into your PC, format hard drives and you're done you got 16TB of data for storage in JBOD.



Sans Digital Pro's
Easy to setup, plug-n-play and done
Can setup in JBOD & Raid easily
Case that holds the drives doesn't take up much room
Uses less power (no cpu/mobo/ram, only has room for hard drives & stock PSU)

Sans Digital Con's
Cost a little more than normal NAS setup
No LAN support, so if you need this it's not a good choice

Regular NAS Setup Pro's
Has support for LAN
Cheaper

Regular NAS Setup Con's
You have to setup the software
Takes up a lot of empty room i.e. Mid Tower/Full Tower
Uses more power

Here's a sample of someone's 16TB NAS build on NewEgg:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=11887834

As you can see this person's 16TB NAS consists of a Mid-Tower case. So expect to have room for another tower. Pre-built NAS and Sans Digital are better solutions if you need to save on space and need something a little more compact in size.

There is the option of buying a pre-built NAS system but it's very expensive and hard drives aren't usually included. The great thing about the pre-built NAS is that some of them are super compact like this:

I like my Sans Digital TR8MB-P setup though currently 3xWD20EARS want to get like 5 more WD20EARS to max out at 16TB. Only thing I don't have is a LAN connection to share my hard drives through a network but I don't really need it. So my main PC has to be on if I want to share files through LAN and Windows.
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Regular NAS don't offer enough flexibility for me and are usually more expensive per disk than if you build your own file server from regular PC parts.
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Placing the hard drives in the Sans Digital tower would be pretty useful. It might help keep temps down in the case too. That many hard drives in one case would surely generate quite a bit of heat. My own two seagate drives generate more heat when together than my WD caviar black drive.
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Regular NAS don't offer enough flexibility for me and are usually more expensive per disk than if you build your own file server from regular PC parts.
You mis-understand me, I meant regular NAS as in building your own. Pre-built are the expensive one's because they are specially built in their own cases and custom boards to handle all the connections. I don't like the idea of building a regular NAS, it might be cheaper but it's going to take a mid-tower or larger case to house the 8x2TB drives and more stuff. I don't need another CPU, I don't need another motherboard, I don't need ram, and I don't need another mid-full tower case as it takes up too much room. Basically I don't need another full PC; I just need a drive storage solution which TR8MB-P fits the problem though not perfect. It's basically a giant 16TB external drive with eSata connection.

Yes, building your own NAS is cheaper but it also takes up more space and doesn't offer the flexibility and meet the criteria I need.

1. Must be able to house 8 drives
2. Must be compact
3. Must connect to LAN and PC

I gave up the LAN part because I can live without it and nobody offers anything like this. Initially I thought about building an NAS but it would take up too much room. I don't need 5.25" bays, 8x3.5" bay compact case would be impossible to find. I would have to practically build my own case for something like that and I don't have the time for that. And for gigabit LAN support nobody has it. It requires the use of a PC motherboard, cpu, and ram to have LAN support and extra features that I will not use. So it's like building another whole PC.
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NAS runs separately from your PC, it's basically another PC with dedicated hard drives. You run it with Linux and FreeNAS.

If your friend needs more hard drive space I recommend him to get a Sans Digital tower and setup in JBOD through eSata. He can also setup the tower in RAID if he wanted to. It's a lot cheaper solution than pre-built NAS's and he can go for 16TB for a little over $1K. It's a lot easier to setup, just plug in your 8 hard drives and plug the two eSata cables into your PC, format hard drives and you're done you got 16TB of data for storage in JBOD.



Sans Digital Pro's
Easy to setup, plug-n-play and done
Can setup in JBOD & Raid easily
Case that holds the drives doesn't take up much room
Uses less power (no cpu/mobo/ram, only has room for hard drives & stock PSU)

Sans Digital Con's
Cost a little more than normal NAS setup
No LAN support, so if you need this it's not a good choice

Regular NAS Setup Pro's
Has support for LAN
Cheaper

Regular NAS Setup Con's
You have to setup the software
Takes up a lot of empty room i.e. Mid Tower/Full Tower
Uses more power
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yeah well thats kinda why opted against them(although i was only after a 2 bay one with 2 3tb in), just thought i'd put it out there i'd go green drives too, not only will you save on purchase costs but if your mate has anything to do with paying power bills, he will save there(every bit counts)
Next goal: Convince him that getting Caviar Green will ultimately save him lots of money, energy, at the sacrifice of some performance loss (according to this article)
And the fact that on Newegg, the Caviar Green is around $80 cheaper than the Caviar Black.
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well he will have a ssd(maybe ssd raid?) boot drive for all programs and games, they will just be used for storage, and i think the difference(green vs black) is that small that you wouldnt even notice especially when everything else is snappy and quick. but at end of day its his decision over ours, and he should get what he will be happy with, cuz if he doesnt, and hes anything like me, it will itch away at him and he'll end up getting what he wants 6 month down the track, lol
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