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all stores in my area have a no-return policy on PC games. doesnt matter if its still sealed and you have the receipt.
But that's not Valve's fault. They put it clearly on the box, so that people don't get home and find they need a third party application to run it, because they understand that's annoying from a casual gamer's point of view. What more can they do?

And again, main reason for exclusively using Steam as a game is mainly because of the servers. They don't have to have specific servers to distribute their updates any more, they can just throw it onto Steam's servers and be done with it.
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But that's not Valve's fault. They put it clearly on the box, so that people don't get home and find they need a third party application to run it, because they understand that's annoying from a casual gamer's point of view. What more can they do?

And again, main reason for exclusively using Steam as a game is mainly because of the servers. They don't have to have specific servers to distribute their updates any more, they can just throw it onto Steam's servers and be done with it.
just makes me buy games on the xbox more, i love my pc gaming but it can all go to hell if its turning into this. sure, flame me if you want but i could really care less. i dont even have an xbox live account but i can still play games just fine without it.
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How about this. Would you buy a house knowing that your key is actually connected to the estate agents server and when they go out of business you can't get into your house?

You might, I won't. I don't care what kind of DRM the game uses, DRM is an invasion of my purchase and I do not accept it. My rant has as much to do with Steam as it does with GFWL and activation limits, I hate all. Now if Steam used a system in which you could download the ISO, and not have anything to do with Steam beyond that, I might be inclined to use it, but until then I'll keep refusing to use Steam.

If having had to use Steam after playing HL2 and CS (I hate CS) means I have no idea what I'm talking about then so be it.
Steam has stated multiple times that they will release the games from steam control if steam goes out of business. You are just being paranoid.

And at the rate steam is going, all of your current games will be obsolete and not worth playing by the time steam ever goes under. Do you play pacman often?

I also find it hilariously ironic that you are ranting about your right to personal private property with a communist icon as your avatar...
    
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just makes me buy games on the xbox more, i love my pc gaming but it can all go to hell if its turning into this. sure, flame me if you want but i could really care less. i dont even have an xbox live account but i can still play games just fine without it.
Your loss. If you're switching to consoles just because of a few games and doing bad research about what you're buying, that's fine by me.
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all stores in my area have a no-return policy on PC games. doesnt matter if its still sealed and you have the receipt.
Well, that's just a plain lie, and an obvious one. I worked in the tech sales sector all through my degree. It is the law in many countries that retail outlets are prohibited from exchanging/returning opened software, due to concerns of piracy. I've never seen a store whose policy is to refuse the return of sealed products. Legally, I don't think it would be enforceable to issue a blanket "no return policy" unless the items are marked as such (final sale discounts and whatnot). That said, IANAL and I don't know how stringent the consumer protection laws are in the US. In Canada, our nanny state protects us from the Big Bad Best Buys.

Regardless, the burden of research is on the consumer. Steam is by far the least invasive form of DRM that I've seen. In fact, they go as far as to add value to the DRM, benefiting those who use it! Features like a permanent back-up of your games, streamlined content distribution, great sales, community features like friends and a social network. Somehow, I doubt Ubisoft is sitting in their offices thinking of ways to develop DRM that people like. If using Steam is unacceptable there's obviously no pleasing you. Just don't game on PC.
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Well, that's just a plain lie, and an obvious one. I worked in the tech sales sector all through my degree. It is the law in many countries that retail outlets are prohibited from exchanging/returning opened software, due to concerns of piracy. I've never seen a store whose policy is to refuse the return of sealed products. Legally, I don't think it would be enforceable to issue a blanket "no return policy" unless the items are marked as such (final sale discounts and whatnot). That said, IANAL and I don't know how stringent the consumer protection laws are in the US. In Canada, our nanny state protects us from the Big Bad Best Buys.

Regardless, the burden of research is on the consumer. Steam is by far the least invasive form of DRM that I've seen. In fact, they go as far as to add value to the DRM, benefiting those who use it! Features like a permanent back-up of your games, streamlined content distribution, great sales, community features like friends and a social network. Somehow, I doubt Ubisoft is sitting in their offices thinking of ways to develop DRM that people like. If using Steam is unacceptable there's obviously no pleasing you. Just don't game on PC.
well all stores here have big signs that say all sales final and the reason for that is because of kids buying games and taking the CD keys then shrink wrapping the game back up and taking it back. if you dont believe me on how easy it is to do such things i can run around back and video a clip really fast of me shrink wrapping a package with your name on it for proof. hell, i cant even go to the store and buy a game with a bill over 20. for a game that is 59.99 + tax i either pay with my card or bust out 3 20s and some change but its all legal tender.... stores can do whatever they want as long as they have a sign saying so out front.

a got a gift, I DID NOT PURCHASE IT, it was a steam only game, i cant return it. see the problem i have now? sure, i could just deal with it being a steam game but since i dont like that i refuse to use it and i now refuse to buy anymore games the company puts out so long as they use steam.
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a got a gift, I DID NOT PURCHASE IT, it was a steam only game, i cant return it. see the problem i have now? sure, i could just deal with it being a steam game but since i dont like that i refuse to use it and i now refuse to buy anymore games the company puts out so long as they use steam.
To be honest, there aren't that many games that actually enforce Steam. There's all Valve's games, obviously, and recent releases... CoD:MW and Fallout:NV, I believe. Honestly, biggest games you'll miss out on are Valve games, and it isn't more than logical they enforce their own software (mostly because of updates and online gaming).
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Why the hell do people complain ALL THE TIME about steam? There is nothing wrong with it at all. It keeps everything in 1 easy place to find, and is a great Content Management System. It's just too convenient.

And seriously, how can you go wrong with some of their deals.
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I actually really like steam... People in my [former] MW2 clan were bawwwwwing about Steam all the time when it was actually IWNet that sucked. Then the were all "in BO we're using XFire!" (which I happen to not like AT ALL) and they complained again when they found out that MW2 would be on Steam as well...

I don't understand why though, because Steam is a very good content delivery system, and its DRM isn't overly intrusive. The only annoying thing about it is that if I lose my internet unexpectedly I can't launch my games until it's back up. If I know that my internet's going off I can put Steam in offline mode...

Of course, it's about 1000000000000 times better than GFWL or EA's DRM...
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Why the hell do people complain ALL THE TIME about steam? There is nothing wrong with it at all. It keeps everything in 1 easy place to find, and is a great Content Management System. It's just too convenient.

And seriously, how can you go wrong with some of their deals.
The people who have a problem with it usually get forced to use it because of one game they bought, without reading the box, and then hating Steam for being forced onto them. After this, their opinion is hardly salvageable, even if they use it more.

To be honest, if they'd just try to enjoy using it, they would, but meh.
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