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That's the default BIOS settings. And I updated the BIOS. However, I still only see 6 options in the HT Link section in the BIOS. Auto, x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 and x5 = 1000 Mhz at most.


Basically I should look for a better motherboard and a good graphics card. If only I had money to spend.

By the way, in BIOS there is an option "CPU Active Core Control". What is the purpose of this?
Edited by CMproGamer - 1/12/11 at 5:43pm
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why is your HT so low?


i run a quadcore athlon II and i have zero problems. this is my setup and these are the games i have played:

Setup:

Athlon II X4 630 overclocked to 3.5ghz (FSB 250 Multi 14)
HT: 2000
NB: 2200
Vcore: 1.456
Biostar TA760G Motherboard
Mushkin DDR2 4GB 1000mhz 5-5-5-18
Sunbeam 120mm heatsink (my temps are very good)
Corsair 650TX

with 3 different graphics cards:

PNY 9800 GTX+
PNY GT240
XFX 4850


Games I have played with zero problems:

Resident Evil 5
Borderlands
Bioshock
Warcraft III
Spore
Unreal Tournament 2003
Unreal Tournament 3
Prince of Persia (2008)
Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands
Torchlight
Starcraft 2
Batman Arkham Asylum
Overlord I
Overlord II
Deathspank
Defense Grid
Portal
Half Life 2
Blur
King Arthur (the RPG)
Street Figther
Greed Corp

etc etc I have played a lot more than that but that's to give you an idea. again, no problems with any of the games.
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That's the default BIOS settings. And I updated the BIOS. However, I still only see 6 options in the HT Link section in the BIOS. Auto, x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 and x5 = 1000 Mhz at most.


Basically I should look for a better motherboard and a good graphics card. If only I had money to spend.

By the way, in BIOS there is an option "CPU Active Core Control". What is the purpose of this?
That's alright, having a low HT Link isn't going to hurt performance any. It'd just be nice if it was at stock speeds .

Try the following:
250 x 13 CPU (reference clock x multiplier), 1.40-1.425v
4x or DDR2-800 RAM (will put your RAM at DDR2-1000 or 500Mhz)
5-5-5-15-20 timings, 2.20v (find the NAMES of the timings with CPUz)
10x NB
5x HT

Then stress test it as I said how to earlier. See how that goes for you.
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Low HT link must be due to an AM2 socket board (not AM2+).
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CPU voltage was originally at 1.4v and when it was my games ran a lot less stable and glitchy. 1.5v was not possible though until the Liquid cooling was installed to the CPU.
And all I know about this AMD processor is that it's 'supposed to be' a Quad core. However, the option to unlock the 4th core is there and the motherboard unlocks it.
1.5V I could hit 3.51GHz at that voltage on my 620. That seems ridiculously high.
Edited by razr m3 - 1/12/11 at 6:23pm
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1.5V I could hit 3.51GHz at that voltage on my 620. That seems ridiculously high.
I can't hit over 3.3 Ghz without PC being incapable of booting. No matter the voltage level.


I've tried test changing the HT Link option in the BIOS and every time CPU-ID loads to show the information, HT Link is unchanged. No matter the value changes made it stays where it is.

Also, I get more responsive in-game speeds with my NB Frequency multiplier dropped down.

The default is x10, which levels out with the CPU and everything else. But at x8 the games run more responsively. And the lower, the more responsive. However, FPS begins to drop as well.

Changing RAM Frequencies and timings also take their toll in differences. Higher RAM seems to help increase game performance in some areas while also lowering them in others. Tigher timings and lower frequency does the same.

Changing L3 Cache Allocation to All cores helps performance a lot for some reason. But according to the stats I do not even have an L3 cache.

What is up with this PC?


When the ratio is 1:1 my game performance is incredibly low and worse off than at 3:5 or so on. When my CPU clocking is set lower, NB frequency lower, RAM auto or higher, I get better gameplay performance.
I would figure the CPU is far more weight pulling than RAM for gaming isn't it? I mean yeah RAM is a requirement. But the CPU is what processes and is the main speed of everything right? Yet, why does this pc seem to run better with the RAM at higher settings than the CPU but run worse when they are equally leveled out?
Edited by CMproGamer - 1/12/11 at 6:37pm
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You need more to multi games at a time.
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The RAM question.....its probably due to not being stable. Have you tested stability at the higher settings? That's probably true with the NB settings as well.
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C3 rev Athlon X4's are where its at, they overclock better and support higher ram freq over C2.

Also he need a 450 or 5770, GT 240 is like a 9600gt, not bad but pretty weak these days
    
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Ever since trying the different settings in BIOS my pc is actually running a lot worse. Problem though is that even when returning the settings back to where they were, it's not like it was before. Why is that?
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