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Remember that the SB out now is just the mid-range it doesn't support DDR3 and is not just as nice as the high-end cpus. That's my subjective opinion.

I could either have waited for SB or gotten a 970 and I sure didn't wait, because SB is mid-range.
I'm pretty sure SB ONLY supports ddr3... I know mine works just fine with it.
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It doesn't support triple channel. it only supports ddr3 dual channel. It's probably a board issue though
    
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I am not a gamer, but I am very much interested in building an enthusiast machine that will get me good bang for the buck. And looking at this particular CPU that seems to the be the case.

Now I am wondering a few things:
1. What is a good amount of RAM to have 4GB or 6GB of DRR3 1333 RAM? Would having more RAM for the price make that much of a performance increase vs the Core i5 with the same amount of RAM (either 4 or 6 GB)?
2. Also does anyone know if this is a good mobo or not: Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 P55 ATX Motherboard? I was looking and it seemed like a good choice for it supported both the Core i CPUs I was looking at.
3. If I paired that CPU with an ATI Radeon 5750 with 1 GB of GDDR5 is it going to be able to outperform a system using this Graphics Card with the Core i7 970 Extreme?
4. How would Windrows 7 utilize the 8 threads of the Core i7 2600K processor vs 4 threads of the Core i5 2500K processor?
5. If I do get this processor how many case fans should I use or would need for adequate cooling vs. that of the Core i5?
6. Also should I get a better cooler even though the one I have seen is a boxed CPU? I was wondering that because if I did decide the overclock the CPU would the heat sink included be adequate enough to dissipate the heat generated or should I go with a better solution?
7. I am also going to put a 320 GB HD for OS and applications and 1 TB HD for storage and backup.
Also an optical drive with some form of R/W combination. What wattage power supply should I go with with this kind of set up? Would a 500 watt be enough or should I go with a 600 watt or higher PSU?

Thank you in advance!
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I am not a gamer, but I am very much interested in building an enthusiast machine that will get me good bang for the buck. And looking at this particular CPU that seems to the be the case.

Now I am wondering a few things:
1. What is a good amount of RAM to have 4GB or 6GB of DRR3 1333 RAM? Would having more RAM for the price make that much of a performance increase vs the Core i5 with the same amount of RAM (either 4 or 6 GB)?
2. If I paired that CPU with an ATI Radeon 5750 with 1 GB of GDDR5 is it going to be able to outperform a system using this Graphics Card with the Core i7 870 Extreme?
3. How would Windrows 7 utilize the 8 threads of the Core i7 2600K processor vs 4 threads of the Core i5 2500K processor?
4. If I do get this processor how many case fans should I use or would need for adequate cooling vs. that of the Core i5?
I am also going to put a 320 GB HD for OS and applications and 1 TB HD for storage and backup.
Also an optical drive with some form of R/W combination.
5. What wattage power supply should I go with with this kind of set up? Would a 500 watt be enough or should I go with a 600 watt or higher PSU?
  1. Ram is dependent on purpose 6gb(2GBx3) for gaming.
  2. In gaming a 6 core will only outperform a quad core in only very specific games
  3. Win7 itself will utilize inlimted amount of cores for its basic process, but these are so small that the speed diference is not noticeable. HT will work in very few applications well, even multi-threaded applications like CAD often are negatively affected by HT
  4. Case fans are not going to make much of diference over the stock fans included, you won't to get good fans, such as gentle typhoons, for your heatsink.
  5. 500w is plenty, but it is often quality over quantity with PSUs, Seasonic, Corsair and Antec.
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Ok first of all thanks for the information, tconroy135.

First of all I want to run dual channel for the RAM that is why I am asking about 4 vs. 6 GB.
Second is a 500 watt Cooler Master PSU going to be good enough or should I go with a higher wattage of the same brand? Or some other brand? I am looking at the over all system needs and the Graphics card I was looking at needs 450 watts to run.
Third I am asking how many case fans would be a good number to use and where should I put them in the case? Also would 120mm fans make that much difference in dissipating heat?
Forth you are suggesting that I go with a better CPU fan/heat sink combination for better cooling?

Thanks again.
post #26 of 37
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Hello,


-I am planning on running sli gtx 580, I am not sure if that changes anything.... (Maybe a certain processor can utilize them better?)
I think this is key to your build. Bear in mind, mainstream P67 SB motherboards are only 8x 8x PCIe, while X58 are true 16x 16x.

There are SB motherboards out there that states they do 16x 8x 4x, however I haven't found any reviews with SLi GTX 580.

If there is any hint of a GTX580 "being held" back by the PCIe bus at 8x on a P67 motherboard, you should go with 970 on X58 motherboard.
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Ok first of all thanks for the information, tconroy135.

First of all I want to run dual channel for the RAM that is why I am asking about 4 vs. 6 GB.
Second is a 500 watt Cooler Master PSU going to be good enough or should I go with a higher wattage of the same brand? Or some other brand? I am looking at the over all system needs and the Graphics card I was looking at needs 450 watts to run.
Third I am asking how many case fans would be a good number to use and where should I put them in the case? Also would 120mm fans make that much difference in dissipating heat?
Forth you are suggesting that I go with a better CPU fan/heat sink combination for better cooling?

Thanks again.
Don't use coolermaster, for the best performance/price I recomend the Antec True Power NEW 500-700w(450w is fine, but its hard to find quality PSUs at that point).

Dual-Channel best would be 8GB 2x4GB

Case Fans make little to no difference as long as they are present. It really depends on your case.

Megahalems Rev 2 is the cooler I always recommend for Air.
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I am not a gamer, but I am very much interested in building an enthusiast machine that will get me good bang for the buck. And looking at this particular CPU that seems to the be the case.

Now I am wondering a few things:
1. What is a good amount of RAM to have 4GB or 6GB of DRR3 1333 RAM? Would having more RAM for the price make that much of a performance increase vs the Core i5 with the same amount of RAM (either 4 or 6 GB)?
2. Also does anyone know if this is a good mobo or not: Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 P55 ATX Motherboard? I was looking and it seemed like a good choice for it supported both the Core i CPUs I was looking at.
3. If I paired that CPU with an ATI Radeon 5750 with 1 GB of GDDR5 is it going to be able to outperform a system using this Graphics Card with the Core i7 970 Extreme?
4. How would Windrows 7 utilize the 8 threads of the Core i7 2600K processor vs 4 threads of the Core i5 2500K processor?
5. If I do get this processor how many case fans should I use or would need for adequate cooling vs. that of the Core i5?
6. Also should I get a better cooler even though the one I have seen is a boxed CPU? I was wondering that because if I did decide the overclock the CPU would the heat sink included be adequate enough to dissipate the heat generated or should I go with a better solution?
7. I am also going to put a 320 GB HD for OS and applications and 1 TB HD for storage and backup.
Also an optical drive with some form of R/W combination. What wattage power supply should I go with with this kind of set up? Would a 500 watt be enough or should I go with a 600 watt or higher PSU?

Thank you in advance!
1. Recommend getting G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 2000 or equiv. It will clock down to 1866

2. GA-P55A-UD3 is not for SB, you would need P67A-UD if your going SB i'd recommend GA-P67A-UD4

3. i7-2600k will smoke the i7-970, the i7-2600k is on par with the i7-980x and trades blows. For proof see http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...4-4ghz-vs.html

4. Windrows 7 won't make a difference either chip i5 or i7 is fine

5. would still recommend a decent case, but these chips run cooler than all previous

6. the better the hit sink and fan the higher the OC. If your going air either SA or the ND-14

7. for OS best performance you will see is SSD, recommend Vortex 2 if u can afford it c300

8. would recommend at least a 650, ideally a 750
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I think this is key to your build. Bear in mind, mainstream P67 SB motherboards are only 8x 8x PCIe, while X58 are true 16x 16x.

There are SB motherboards out there that states they do 16x 8x 4x, however I haven't found any reviews with SLi GTX 580.

If there is any hint of a GTX580 "being held" back by the PCIe bus at 8x on a P67 motherboard, you should go with 970 on X58 motherboard.
There are SB mobo's that do 16x/16x, both UD7 and Asus RoG. and for your review see http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...uide-p67a.html
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again the OP said he wasn't gonna overclock, why are you people showing him a comparison of a SB overclocked with a 980x overclocked?

Also OP said as well he's focusing more on
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The purpose of the computer is a mix of hardcore gaming (latest fps and rts), amateur hd video editing (home movies), Watching movies, light image editing (photoshop), office applications (word, excel), general internet, and game/level design (trying to learn UDK).
from what i can see, SB will be great for the gaming part, but arguing that 8 threads is better than 12 for the other parts is silly.
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