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Samsung phones might have good hardware, but their software side of things seems to be deliberately/unnecessarily held back. I'll be steering clear of Samsung phones.
    
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I don't see how that's Google's fault. They aren't the ones that tell manufacturers whether or not to roll it out for their phone.

People keep talking about fragmentation as a problem, but is it really? It's much ado about nothing. The only people that are going to care whether their phone will have the next OTA update are people who actually know things about electronics. The average person sees multiple options for phones and buys whatever is in their budget. Anyone who cares about OTA updates can do their research and pick the phone that will probably get them, thereby eliminating the problem. You get what you pay for.
They DON'T demand the manufacturers to roll out updates. That's the problem he is bringing up. They SHOULD. They should have more direct control of how manufacturers handle their Android customers. Keep their OS up to date, make sure their hardware is up to par as well to run Android how it's meant to be run.

At this very moment, I don't find the fragmentation to be a problem at all, but it certainly will be if manufacturers continue putting out phones that are below the 1GHz mark. At least Gingerbread is supposed to push that boundary; it won't run on phones that are below 1GHz. All the older Android phones that are ~800MHz won't be able to enjoy the apps that are more demanding and only run on Gingerbread, which is where fragmentation becomes a larger issue.
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post #13 of 56
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They DON'T demand the manufacturers to roll out updates. That's the problem he is bringing up. They SHOULD.
That's not what he said.

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They should have more direct control of how manufacturers handle their Android customers. Keep their OS up to date, make sure their hardware is up to par as well to run Android how it's meant to be run.
Your blame is misplaced nevertheless.

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At this very moment, I don't find the fragmentation to be a problem at all, but it certainly will be if manufacturers continue putting out phones that are below the 1GHz mark. At least Gingerbread is supposed to push that boundary; it won't run on phones that are below 1GHz. All the older Android phones that are ~800MHz won't be able to enjoy the apps that are more demanding and only run on Gingerbread, which is where fragmentation becomes a larger issue.
I don't understand how this is going to help the argument of "fragmentation." There will still be slow phones available, and people will whine for making a bad purchase.
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post #14 of 56
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I don't see how that's Google's fault. They aren't the ones that tell manufacturers whether or not to roll it out for their phone.

People keep talking about fragmentation as a problem, but is it really? It's much ado about nothing. The only people that are going to care whether their phone will have the next OTA update are people who actually know things about electronics. The average person sees multiple options for phones and buys whatever is in their budget. Anyone who cares about OTA updates can do their research and pick the phone that will probably get them, thereby eliminating the problem. You get what you pay for.
It is a huge problem, especially for developers. There are kernel related operations that are only available in 2.x, whereas before that the same operations weren't even there. This forces devs to build apps that support older platforms, which overall makes their apps bigger. Not a problem if their App supports SD moving, but what if it can't? Widgets for example, or other system tools.

There's also a bevvy of enhanced functionalities in 2.x.

None of this is a problem for those of us who know how to Root our phones, but for your average consumer, it's a major problem. And a lot of average consumers look at their friend's phones, and say "why don't *I* have XYZ? I have an Android phone too." Fragmentation is frustrating for your average consumer.

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That's not what he said.

Actually, that is what I said.
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That's not what he said.

Your blame is misplaced nevertheless.

I don't understand how this is going to help the argument of "fragmentation." There will still be slow phones available, and people will whine for making a bad purchase.
As he said so himself above, it's exactly what he said.

And why would they whine? Obviously because their phones can't use the apps that Gingerbread users have, or because if they do, they run very poorly. That is fragmentation. Developers (as above) have to code separately for both 2.x and 1.x versions of Android.
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post #16 of 56
Hmmm, Phone manufactures trying to screw their customers out of money... why is this news?
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Google need stricter policies for phones that have "with Google" on the back.
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My Captivate is my last Samsung. They have their customers pissed with the lack of Froyo and broken promises of people getting it and now this?! I believe it 100%. Luckily I don't have to deal with them thanks to the geniuses at XDA. I'm sure plenty of people feel the same way I do also. Samsung is really screwing up..
I don't think Samsung is entirely to blame here... The Rogers network in Canada released an official froyo 2.2 update for the Samsung Captivate over KIES last week. So I would blame the mobile network companies and not Samsung.
    
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I don't think Samsung is entirely to blame here... The Rogers network in Canada released an official froyo 2.2 update for the Samsung Captivate over KIES last week. So I would blame the mobile network companies and not Samsung.
That's because Canadian carriers are always like six months behind in releasing phones. They have no reason to hold the update back here.
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This is why I refuse to buy an Android phone that runs anything but 'vanilla' Android. Because these companies will stop supporting these devices with updates within 6 months, every time. Ultimately, this is why I went with WP7. Even though the platform is still in its early stages, I'm more comfortable purchasing a phone where the OS manufacturer has control over their platform.

Google really needs to step up and do the same. Demand that when companies want the Google apps and marketplace, they agree to support that particular model with up to date OSes for at least 1 year. These companies are intentionally making these phones obsolete. I don't know why they think that is a good way to do business, because people just end up feeling swindled and betrayed.

EDIT: I realize since Android is open source, Google has limited control over the whole platform. But the platform is severely hindered if it lacks Google's apps.
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