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I'm so going to get flamed for this but...


Blaming Google is like blaming Microsoft for ATI's Crappy Drivers



Your phone manufacturers didn't need to dick around with stock android.

It's because they do that which is why they are slower on the releases than they could be.

That and they are also holding out on us.




Next part? Blame AT&T.
My Captivate is running 2.2 OFFICIAL.
Roger's released it, so now it's not samsung dicking around is it?
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Originally Posted by Culverin View Post
I'm so going to get flamed for this but...


Blaming Google is like blaming Microsoft for ATI's Crappy Drivers



Your phone manufacturers didn't need to dick around with stock android.

It's because they do that which is why they are slower on the releases than they could be.

That and they are also holding out on us.




Next part? Blame AT&T.
My Captivate is running 2.2 OFFICIAL.
Roger's released it, so now it's not samsung dicking around is it?
No, actually, it's not like that at all.
There's a timeline when google releases it's OS updates, and turn-around for MFG's to make their branded version of it (with Sense, Motoblur, etc.). If the MFG fails to release it in a suitable time frame, it's either because they don't care to at all, or because they take their sweet time.

If Google told these MFG's they CANNOT use Android without updates in a reasonable timeframe, we wouldn't see the kind of fragmentation out there that we do.
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Hypocrisy? About what? There's no hypocrisy.

If you take two phones, similar specs, and one gets 1.6 while the other gets 2.2, how is that hypocrisy? I'm not talking G1 and a Nexus S. How about the Sony X10 and the Vibrant? Both are highly capable of running 2.2, but the X10 still doesn't have it.
That's the way it is in nearly everything. "What?! Your TV can only do 720p?! That's fragmentation and it's unfair!" Complaining about it for Google and not other situations is hypocritical. If you cannot see that that is hypocrisy then you need to buy a dictionary, sir.

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And Fragmentation IS Google's fault. So I don't what you're trying to get at other than spouting your nonsense.
The nonsense is yours in as much as you have not thought through the logic. It is as much Google's fault that manufacturers slack off as it is Pepsi's fault when your local grocery store is out of stock of Diet Pepsi. Oh no! Now your grocery stores have fragmentation! CLEARLY WE MUST BLAME PEPSI!
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That's the way it is in nearly everything. "What?! Your TV can only do 720p?! That's fragmentation and it's unfair!" Complaining about it for Google and not other situations is hypocritical. If you cannot see that that is hypocrisy then you need to buy a dictionary, sir
Jesus Christ you have no idea what you're saying. You can't compare a ******* TV that does 720P to one that does 1080P when I'm comparing phones with similar specs. You're whole argument is so full of holes and you keep dribbling it out.

Herpaderp 720P TV can do 1080P herpaderp. Really.
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The nonsense is yours in as much as you have not thought through the logic. It is as much Google's fault that manufacturers slack off as it is Pepsi's fault when your local grocery store is out of stock of Diet Pepsi. Oh no! Now your grocery stores have fragmentation! CLEARLY WE MUST BLAME PEPSI!



Samsung isn't slacking off. They're holding back on providing a pretty major software update to all their Vibrant customers out of greed of it possibly impacting their new Vibrant's sales. T-Mobile is READY to send out the update. It's done. Meanwhile, a million or so Vibrant owners are pissed and get fed up, possibly dropping Android altogether because of this fiasco.

Had Google been more strict, they could have had an agreement where all manufacturers must roll out updates immediately (within a certain time-frame) after Google makes them available. This is point 1 XNine is trying to make.

Fragmentation means we have a crazy variety of Android hardware that can't all equally partake in the features Android offers. Many Gingerbread apps won't run on Froyo, meaning all those phones that can't get Gingerbread are fragmented away from the newer phones that can. Developers are going to start releasing on the latest platform. Due to Samsung being so stingy with rolling out the update, all those Vibrant owners can't enjoy Gingerbread and its features and apps. THAT is fragmentation. Gingerbread phones are on a completely different bridge totally disconnected from pre-Gingerbread phones. By Google regulating (enforcing that all manufacturers provide updates promptly after becoming available) this fragmentation can be avoided altogether.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/13/11 at 5:53pm
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post #36 of 56
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Jesus Christ you have no idea what you're saying. You can't compare a ******* TV that does 720P to one that does 1080P when I'm comparing phones with similar specs. You're whole argument is so full of holes and you keep dribbling it out.

Herpaderp 720P TV can do 1080P herpaderp. Really.
Practice what you preach. You've offered nothing but vitriol. If you wish to ignore my examples of fragmentation then go ahead, but it doesn't change that you keep avoiding refuting the hypocrisy of your case. You can't simply say "nuh uh!" and pretend you have made your case.

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Samsung isn't slacking off. They're holding back on providing a pretty major software update to all their Vibrant customers out of greed of it possibly impacting their new Vibrant's sales. T-Mobile is READY to send out the update. It's done. Meanwhile, a million or so Vibrant owners are pissed and get fed up, possibly dropping Android altogether because of this fiasco.

Had Google been more strict, they could have had an agreement where all manufacturers must roll out updates immediately (within a certain time-frame) after Google makes them available. This is point 1 XNine is trying to make.

Fragmentation means we have a crazy variety of Android hardware that can't all equally partake in the features Android offers. Many Gingerbread apps won't run on Froyo, meaning all those phones that can't get Gingerbread are fragmented away from the newer phones that can. Developers are going to start releasing on the latest platform. Due to Samsung being so stingy with rolling out the update, all those Vibrant owners can't enjoy Gingerbread and its features and apps. THAT is fragmentation. Gingerbread phones are on a completely different bridge totally disconnected from pre-Gingerbread phones. By Google regulating (enforcing that all manufacturers provide updates promptly after becoming available) this fragmentation can be avoided altogether.


You just wasted my time by restating the obvious while ignoring everything I've said - or at least missed the point entirely.
Edited by stargate125645 - 1/13/11 at 6:01pm
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So THIS is the reasoning behind the delay for an official version of Froyo for my Captivate... Thank god for custom ROMs. Only way they can make this up is by giving us Gingerbread, stat.
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So THIS is the reasoning behind the delay for an official version of Froyo for my Captivate... Thank god for custom ROMs. Only way they can make this up is by giving us Gingerbread, stat.
Gingerbread will be out on the current galaxy S when 3.0 is out...
    
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Practice what you preach. You've offered nothing but vitriol. If you wish to ignore my examples of fragmentation then go ahead, but it doesn't change that you keep avoiding refuting the hypocrisy of your case. You can't simply say "nuh uh!" and pretend you have made your case.



You just wasted my time by restating the obvious while ignoring everything I've said - or at least missed the point entirely.

No, you have no logic. Virtol? LOL You think you're going to sound better by using obscure vernacular?

Seriously, who let the artard out of its cage?
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My bosses samsung has the official 2.2 - am I missing something here?

Yes he is on T-Mobile.
Edited by Mach 5 - 1/14/11 at 6:29am
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