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50% in what? 8 core apps? i bet more like 10% in gamse
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post #102 of 181
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Originally Posted by Jotun View Post
I would laugh if BD was the best chip and AMD priced it about as low as the Phenom II's
It would hurt Intels rep for expensive chips
Not going to happen. If BD turns out to be a better buy over SB you can bet AMD will inflate the prices. The only reason Phenom II is so cheap compared to current i7's is because it's a far worser performer.

AMD aren't saints.
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post #103 of 181
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You're gonna have to show me where a i7 2600k is better than a 980x assuming all cores are used. Everybody already knows SB has better single threaded performance.... that doesn't equate to better CPU though.
Well, you're gonna have to show me where a 2600k does NOT beat the 980x, in everything except highly threaded (often synthetic) applications. In other words, common games people play (largest market for enthusiast CPUs).

Saying all cores used, is like saying, the Radeon 5970 would beat all CPUs, assuming program is coded perfectly to take advantge of all stream processors to their fullest.
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post #104 of 181
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Originally Posted by GameBoy View Post
Actually they're about equal (when all 6 cores are used). For everything else that isn't heavily multi-threaded the i7 roflstomps any Phenom clock for clock.

In the 980x's case it's much better than a 2600K when all 6 cores are used, and only falls slighty short (clock for clock) of a 2600K when 4 or less cores are used.
But you know something funny?

The same can be said about a 48 core Mangy Cours server blade, vs a 16 core Xeon equivalent (which actually costs more). Yet, everyone, including somewhat clueless IT managers, insist on the Xeon being better.
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post #105 of 181
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I would laugh if BD was the best chip and AMD priced it about as low as the Phenom II's
It would hurt Intels rep for expensive chips
..Apparently you aren't old enough/or werent a PC enthusiast at the time, to remember the expensive AMD chips. 800 dollar dual cores, 1100 dollar FX single cores when duals were just hitting the market.. the lowest end Athlon x2 64 was over 500 USD.

When Conroe hit the market AMD had no choice but to appeal to the 'budget friendly' crowd. The CPUs just couldn't be sold in any other segment.

AMD isn't your friend. If they have the performance crown, they're going to charge you for it. (and rightfully so) They're not a charity. They're a business.

Also - I'm not sure where you think Intel's "rep" for having expensive chips comes from.. When the i5-750 hit the market, The Phenom II 965 was ~250 USD. The i7 920 could be had for just another 30 dollars.. and the i5 was 20% cheaper, and a bit faster to boot. Looking back on it, sure makes the PhII's position look awkward, doesn't it.
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post #106 of 181
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Well, you're gonna have to show me where a 2600k does NOT beat the 980x, in everything except highly threaded (often synthetic) applications. In other words, common games people play (largest market for enthusiast CPUs).

Saying all cores used, is like saying, the Radeon 5970 would beat all CPUs, assuming program is coded perfectly to take advantge of all stream processors to their fullest.
Do you not read? I already made it clear the 2600k wins in anything that uses 4 cores or less.

And god dammit not everybody buys a PC to play Call of Duty. There are other things besides gaming.
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here is a die shot

i didn't see the use for creating a new thread just to show this... enjoy

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post #108 of 181
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Do you not read? I already made it clear the 2600k wins in anything that uses 4 cores or less.

And god dammit not everybody buys a PC to play Call of Duty. There are other things besides gaming.
Take it easy tough guy; it's a forum discussion, not pissing contest.
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..Apparently you aren't old enough/or werent a PC enthusiast at the time, to remember the expensive AMD chips. 800 dollar dual cores, 1100 dollar FX single cores when duals were just hitting the market.. the lowest end Athlon x2 64 was over 500 USD.

When Conroe hit the market AMD had no choice but to appeal to the 'budget friendly' crowd. The CPUs just couldn't be sold in any other segment.

AMD isn't your friend. If they have the performance crown, they're going to charge you for it. (and rightfully so) They're not a charity. They're a business.

Also - I'm not sure where you think Intel's "rep" for having expensive chips comes from.. When the i5-750 hit the market, The Phenom II 965 was ~250 USD. The i7 920 could be had for just another 30 dollars.. and the i5 was 20% cheaper, and a bit faster to boot. Looking back on it, sure makes the PhII's position look awkward, doesn't it.
Agreed in general.

But the long running argument is about the platform cost, not the cpu's so much. AMD boards are cheaper, and over the last 4 years have had a long vein of socket compatiblity.
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post #110 of 181
People shouldnt be going crazy about whos has the better chip. That is on a case to case situation. If your a gamer just get a 2500k and save your money. If your a folder, video or audio guy just get as many cores as you can. Get w/e is best for your sitiuation.
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