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Originally Posted by col musstard View Post
not trying to troll but this seems very....underwhelming

50% higher performance, using 33% more cores. So single threaded performance isn't seeing that much of an improvement. Kind of disappointed, wanted to see AMD give intel a run for the top performance crown
Taken from Bulldozer 20 questions

"In reality what we are doing is driving efficiency. And don’t worry about the single threaded performance –we have already stated publicly that Bulldozer single threaded performance is expected to be higher than our current core architectures."
    
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So let me get this straight... the 8 core NEW architecture is 50% faster than a two year old architecture with half the cores and I assume this is a well threaded application?

So basically 100% more cores = 50% more performance?
1) 8 core as in 4 module, this is no different from HT except its a hell of a lot more efficient.
2) Keep in mind Intels new architecture isn't much faster than their 2 year old one...

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Remember that Intel's HT has improved a lot since it first came out, each HT thread is now worth about 1/2 a core, which adds up to the quad i7 being roughly a hex core in real world performance.

But I also want some real benchies...
Keep in mind that AMDs using Modules which is just a more efficient way of fitting more cores than HT is. (HTs entire purpose is just that, even if it doesn't add any physical core parts)

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So you basically just half agreed. I just threw out a rough number that can sometimes be seen in synthetic benchmarks as part of an explanation.

It was a two line explanation....
Why synthetic? They're completely useless, never really show the real world performance...


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We the power user are only a tiny percentage of the market. Like the quote you've sigged, AMD wants to sell competitive chips for less money for MMOOOAAARRR market share.

Congrats on the 1000th post
But our families and friends all ask the computer techie "Is this a good computer to get?", people forget that...Have a good product line that pleases the power users and they'll recommend you to everyone who comes to them.
    
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1) 8 core as in 4 module, this is no different from HT except its a hell of a lot more efficient.
2) Keep in mind Intels new architecture isn't much faster than their 2 year old one...
Yeah, ~20% clock for clock faster, and ~20% more clockspeed.. Not much faster at all!
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Yeah, ~20% clock for clock faster, and ~20% more clockspeed.. Not much faster at all!
It's relative.

The increase is similar from Yorkfield to Nahalem, but much less than Netburst to Conroe.
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It's relative.

The increase is similar from Yorkfield to Nahalem, but much less than Netburst to Conroe.
I'll agree that it's nowhere near as 'epic' as the introduction of Conroe, and I'll also agree it's a pointless upgrade for Nehalem users, but stating it's "not much faster" than the 2 year old chips is just plain incorrect.

~Here's to hoping this rumor is the correct one (as opposed to the Fud rumor) as I'd like to give AMD a shot with my next upgrade.
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I'll agree that it's nowhere near as 'epic' as the introduction of Conroe, and I'll also agree it's a pointless upgrade for Nehalem users, but stating it's "not much faster" than the 2 year old chips is just plain incorrect.

~Here's to hoping this rumor is the correct one (as opposed to the Fud rumor) as I'd like to give AMD a shot with my next upgrade.
Agreed; I definitely won't call Sandy "no improvement" over Nahalem.

One thing for sure though - if AMD wants to succeed, then BD must be as epic as Conroe. If they simply did an evolution on the K10, such as Core2 vs Nahalem or Nahalem vs Sandy Bridge, then they're bound to fail.

They need something similar to K6 vs K7, where they went from playing catchup with Intel's last gen (PentiumII), to bettering their current gen (PIII) at lower price. And never letting up from that point onwards... (well, till Conroe )
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Yeah, ~20% clock for clock faster, and ~20% more clockspeed.. Not much faster at all!
Depends what you do, mostly, most of the improvements you see in real world scenarios comes from the extra clock speed.
    
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Where is the 20% faster clock:clock number coming from? Wasn't it around 13-15%?
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The 2600K = 980x and its only $329. 8-core Zambezi will be right around that ballpark were the 6-core part will ~2500k performance.
Since when does the 2600k have 980x performance?
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But i thought it was 2 threads per core?

So if each thread is about 1/2 a core..

8 X .5 = 4 cores?
current i7's (except the 980x and 970) are only 4 cores yes with 8 threads
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