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I second that. it was a 600$ machine 4 years ago with half the memory of a modern smartphone and a HDD that i would consider pathethic nowadays with a nvidia 7800 processor. And a cpu that could control WMD's (but so could the PS2 and well so could german engineers in the 1940's)
I don't know about you, but I haven't seen any smartphones with a GPU that performs like a 7800GTX. Heck, you don't even see that kind of power in netbooks. (Which are much larger than any handheld I've seen from Nintendo and Sony.)
Nvidia ION? That's 8500GT performance. (Which is closer to a 7600GS than a 7800GTX)

What makes you think they can fit something like that into a handheld console right now? (Or even in the next year or two?)
Edited by sLowEnd - 1/16/11 at 5:21pm
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YA but the 3ds will still kick its ass.
He knows the future too.... what are the megamillion numbers?
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Not as powerful as a PS3, with current 32nm it's just not possible on a battery powered device that small unless you want 10 mins of battery life. Besides, the pixel count will be probably 1/4th of ps3's 1080p, so it would be wasteful.
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Well that's what I was getting at, yes. For some people, especially existing PSP fans, the increase in graphics power may be enough to justify a large form factor. No argument from me about that, different strokes for different folks. But for me, and a lot of others, it's just not enough...it's just more of the same, I already have HD gaming on my iPhone; so graphics alone aren't enough to dazzle me anymore when the games themselves won't be or play much different than existing PSP titles.

But the 3DS does bring something completely new to the table: glasses-free 3D. That is a game changer, and could easily be the biggest thing in portable gaming since the Lynx brought us color on a portable unit! This is enough to generate interest in even traditional non-gamers, I would think, just like the Wii did. If it weren't for all of the warnings about "don't use the 3DS if you're under 6", and "don't play for more than 30 minutes at a time", I might think this could take off like the Wii did, and I would be buying Nintendo stock! But those warnings do raise some serious red flags on how widely the 3DS will be adopted outside of the existing gaming population.
Agreed. Different strokes for different folks.

To me, it all boils down to the titles.

I am pretty confident about "major" titles for the PSP2 specially that it is very likely to have 2 nubs.

IMO, it might be the very first dedicated handheld console to do TPS and FPS the "right way" (the standard and natural bigger console controls and no "gimmicky" inputs for a pseudo 2nd nub control).

With that, I smell stellar CoD, Vanquish, Halo, Lost Planet, Monster Hunter, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, God of War, Gears of War -ish games on it. And it won't feel like "weak ports" as it seemed with the PSP1.

I daresay if Sony isn't too careful, it will eat some market of the 360 and PS3 specially if the PSP2 will support good infrastructure (or the devs).

If it will have a touch screen (not that gimmicky sounding back panel touch screen as it seems to scream "awkward" to me as Sony will most likely go for "pocket friendly" than "ergonomic") and a Gyroscope.. that will be too awesome if added with a complete HD console standard controls/buttons.

Isn't Sony a big pusher for 3D tech? They should probably reconsider 3D glasses-free for the PSP2.

Damn! I shouldn't expect too much.. It just sounds too good to come true.
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What makes you think they can fit something like that into a handheld console right now? (Or even in the next year or two?)
Moore's Law.

In two year 7800GTX performance at ~2 watts should be practical.
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Moore's Law.

In two year 7800GTX performance at ~2 watts should be practical.
And the Cell?
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What I don't get is flaming on the PSP's battery life...I can play Harvest Moon for a little over 7 hours on the extended battery (with brightness turned down of course). Their making the PSP2 as "powerful" as the PS3, in the sense the image will be just as crisp...on a screen with a quarter of the resolution.
So, basically ~256x150 or something? PS3, like most consoles, usually operate on 1024x600 or less. Which is by far an already low resolution.

Considering the performance behind Bobcat, it is understandable that handhelds can perform quite well. If coded properly, a bobcat can easily give similar quality to a PS3/360. Not much stopping Sony from making something with good graphics (though PS3/360 quality might be farfetched).
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Moore's Law.

In two year 7800GTX performance at ~2 watts should be practical.
Assuming perfect scalability, and Moore's law working every 18 months (which has not always been the case), then the 7800 GTX could be made at 1/16th it's original TDP around June 2012. It's original TDP was ~81 watts, and 1/16th of that is 5.06 watts. So, it'd need until about 2014 to reach 2.5 watts. Of course, I'm not sure if there are techniques over the last 6 years that could bring the TDP down further without reducing performance.
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Considering I can play every other handhelds games on my PSP is it really subjective ?
That's not truly the point.

If that's true then this is the greatest knife ever made.



It's clearly not.

Vulcan and I are from a more practical lot, the kind of gamer that wants a handheld that:
  • Lasts several hours on a charge (my DS and GBA did this)
  • Is truly small enough to put in a pocket (we're talking near cell phone sizes here, not a half pound torment on my pocket)
  • Is capable of being fired up in a few moments (I don't have any time to waste on my 15 minute break)

Power and graphics aren't wonderfully important. I also couldn't give a toss if it can run broken OSes. I just want a super light system, with a decent library.

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remember back then Jnco was huge!! you could fit small children in some of the jeans they made
And I did...


No, seriously, I was (am) a small person.

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Assuming perfect scalability, and Moore's law working every 18 months (which has not always been the case), then the 7800 GTX could be made at 1/16th it's original TDP around June 2012. It's original TDP was ~81 watts, and 1/16th of that is 5.06 watts. So, it'd need until about 2014 to reach 2.5 watts. Of course, I'm not sure if there are techniques over the last 6 years that could bring the TDP down further without reducing performance.
Considering the unified shader architecture adds extra performance, plus other extra features like that, the efficiency could be improved enough to give us 2.5w.

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  • Lasts several hours on a charge (my DS and GBA did this)
  • Is truly small enough to put in a pocket (we're talking near cell phone sizes here, not a half pound torment on my pocket)
  • Is capable of being fired up in a few moments (I don't have any time to waste on my 15 minute break)
My PSP lasts 6 hours on a charge when watching movies, usually 3 or 4 hours when I'm gaming which is practically the same as my Gameboy Advance SP, I never have any trouble with carrying my PSP in my pocket, no more than I get from my HTC Dream anyway and finally, my PSP can be fired up and be exactly where you left off without having to wait for the game to load and the logos, etc to pop up.
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