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Sure, but Windows is not the factor here--the limitations HP builds into their motherboard is what I'm questioning. For all we know, HP could have hardware detection mechanism built into its BIOS that forces SSD / unknown firmware HDDs over some sort of Frankensteined 28-bit controller to artificially limit the maximum size to ~128GB, and only select hard drives have access to the 48-bit component. Don't underestimate what restrictions laptop manufacturers build into their motherboards to force you to buy specific hardware directly from them, or limit your future upgrade options to force eventual new machine purchases.
That doesn't even make any sense, and is not even remotely probable...Besides, HP doesn't make the motherboards, and it's entirely improbably that their OEM supplier will do that for a small sub-section of HP laptop motherboards if no other customer is doing something like that--it wouldn't make business sense (not that it makes sense otherwise either).

Besides, how does the width/bits of a hypothetical frankensteined drive controller limit the absolute size of the disk that the computer/OS will support?
    
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That doesn't even make any sense, and is not even remotely probable...Besides, HP doesn't make the motherboards, and it's entirely improbably that their OEM supplier will do that for a small sub-section of HP laptop motherboards if no other customer is doing something like that--it wouldn't make business sense (not that it makes sense otherwise either).
I like how you use "probable" and not "possible." I'm presuming you chose such words in order to avoid disagreement if one of my wholly and utterly possible scenarios pans out. I think we all know there's no limit to the length a corporation will go to in order to attempt to gain future revenue from consumers. Perhaps you are capable of explaining why they would only offer SSDs up to 128 GB when they could easily generate additional revenue from offering higher-volume SSDs, though? Is it that they don't think that they will sell enough larger drives due to pricing concerns? Maybe their current BIOS detection will not detect drives with newer controllers on them? Or, perhaps, they've created my aforementioned Frankensteined motherboard? The truth is you don't know and you can't know until more information becomes available, leaving my question entirely valid, and your dismissal illogical.

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Besides, how does the width/bits of a hypothetical frankensteined drive controller limit the absolute size of the disk that the computer/OS will support?
Because, IIRC, an 28-bit HD controller imposes a hardware limitation of approximately 128 GB of useable space (though this may be 137 GB, I can't recall exactly... I think the interpretation of numbers varies based off HD / computer manufacturers interpretation of the storage units).
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Also, take a look at the screens when your PC boots up and you'll see various manufacturer/size information about drives being loaded. If you think manufacturers do not have the capability or resources to restrict the hardware present in the machine by using this information, either, you are mistaken.

Am I saying this is a certainty? No. Am I saying it's a possibility for which no answer is yet capable of being discerned? Yes. Hence, I am left with the question of whether SSDs with a capacity greater than 128GB will be supported.
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I like how you use "probable" and not "possible." I'm presuming you chose such words in order to avoid disagreement if one of my wholly and utterly possible scenarios pans out. I think we all know there's no limit to the length a corporation will go to in order to attempt to gain future revenue from consumers. Perhaps you are capable of explaining why they would only offer SSDs up to 128 GB when they could easily generate additional revenue from offering higher-volume SSDs, though? Is it that they don't think that they will sell enough larger drives due to pricing concerns? Maybe their current BIOS detection will not detect drives with newer controllers on them? Or, perhaps, they've created my aforementioned Frankensteined motherboard? The truth is you don't know and you can't know until more information becomes available, leaving my question entirely valid, and your dismissal illogical.



Because, IIRC, an 28-bit HD controller imposes a hardware limitation of approximately 128 GB of useable space (though this may be 137 GB, I can't recall exactly... I think the interpretation of numbers varies based off HD / computer manufacturers interpretation of the storage units).
--

Also, take a look at the screens when your PC boots up and you'll see various manufacturer/size information about drives being loaded. If you think manufacturers do not have the capability or resources to restrict the hardware present in the machine by using this information, either, you are mistaken.

Am I saying this is a certainty? No. Am I saying it's a possibility for which no answer is yet capable of being discerned? Yes. Hence, I am left with the question of whether SSDs with a capacity greater than 128GB will be supported.
I just don't see how it could only support a 128gb ssd if it can support a 750gb hdd...
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Whatever it can hold...I'm liking the price tag.
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Sure, but Windows is not the factor here--the limitations HP builds into their motherboard is what I'm questioning. For all we know, HP could have hardware detection mechanism built into its BIOS that forces SSD / unknown firmware HDDs over some sort of Frankensteined 28-bit controller to artificially limit the maximum size to ~128GB, and only select hard drives have access to the 48-bit component. Don't underestimate what restrictions laptop manufacturers build into their motherboards to force you to buy specific hardware directly from them, or limit your future upgrade options to force eventual new machine purchases.
You ask a very good question actually, we (I say we due to I work for HP "technically") used to have an issue with some of our older notebooks (3-4+ years old) having issues recognizing SATA drives over 500GB but from what I remember it was a controller issue and at the time most of the drives coming out were only in the 80-160GB range.

We haven't had any issues like that since then.

Edit: Computer manufacturers don't make the components, the same parts you find in an HP you'll find in other manufacturers as well alot of the time.
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I already have mine ordered, with the $25 off coupon this is a steal, plus there's 3 great reviews and it scored editors choice on all 3.

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=6018&review=hp+pavilion+dm1
http://computershopper.com/laptops/r...tertainment-pc
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/lapt...#axzz1ApoNs9oo

btw the coupon is:

slickdeals25

and with 3 gigs of RAM and a 320GB 7200RPM hard drive with a 6 cell battery, bluetooth, N support, its a steal for the tag of $425 (before taxes)
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Ok i read braz....zers, is there something wrong with me?
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HP has being putting out gream AMD based products for a while now. This is a good thing. It offers some distinction amongst the market.
Personally, my main computer is now an HP DV-7 w/ a 3-core AMD @ 2.1ghz, 17" screen, and a mobility HD5650
It's a great combo. I dont have any problem playing BC2, L4D2, MW2, etc on it.
It even allowed me to add a second hard drive so I'm running a 128GB Corsair SSD and the stock 500gb 7300RPM drive..

plus.. at 5-hours of battery life, I couldnt be happier for the $650 price tag.
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Now something like this, but with a 14in screen similar to the Envy.
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Buying this.
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