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I have been researching Dvorak lately, and gained and interest in attempting to switch to it.

I was wondering what overclock thought about this idea, and whether any of you had any experiences with that alternative layout.

After webwit's insight, this discussion is now about Colemak.
Edited by Genkaz92 - 1/13/11 at 10:36am
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Hey give it a try maybe you'll start typing 70% faster.. Only reason I won't try it is because of the learning curve I'll be typing epic slow at first X_X
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Hey give it a try maybe you'll start typing 70% faster.. Only reason I won't try it is because of the learning curve I'll be typing epic slow at first X_X
I definitely agree, my only deterrent at the moment is dealing with a certain period of typing extremely slowly.
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Switch to colemak. It's better.
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Switch to colemak. It's better.
I would highly appreciate if you gave us more details from your point of view, I will definitely research it.
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I considered it at one point, decided that it wasn't worth the effort due to slow initial typing periods, I wasn't convinced it would be any faster, and the main one for me, keyboard shortcuts no longer work very well! For example, cut and paste shortcuts are easy with 1 hand and next to each other, no longer possible with dvorak! Since i use something like that far too often I decided not to proceed!
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I considered it at one point, decided that it wasn't worth the effort due to slow initial typing periods, I wasn't convinced it would be any faster, and the main one for me, keyboard shortcuts no longer work very well! For example, cut and paste shortcuts are easy with 1 hand and next to each other, no longer possible with dvorak! Since i use something like that far too often I decided not to proceed!
Well, I could technically always use something like SharpKeys to emulate the standard qwerty shortcuts (as far as I am aware.)

But since someone just mentioned Colemak in this thread which I was previously completely unaware of (and it actually being better then Dvorak) it is now my main point of focus.
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Google for colemak.

It's better because of this:

Dvorak researched what would be the optimal design by looking at texts and parsing the most used letter and combos, etc.

Colemak repeated the exercise many decades later using raw computer power and parsing millions of lines of text.

Dvorak didn't have a chance. Colemak wins.

Result: even less hand travel than Dvorak. You can see for yourself here.

Also with colemak popular shortcuts such as Ctrl-V and Ctrl-C are the same. This also makes it easier to learn than dvorak.

Dvorak is obsolete after the arrival or colemak. If you already use dvorak, the difference is not as big as the difference the step from qwerty is, so you might as well keep typing in dvorak, considering the learning curve. If you are switching from qwerty, there is no reason to pick dvorak any longer, go for colemak. It's very popular in the tiny circle of people who switch layouts.
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Google for colemak.

It's better because of this:

Dvorak researched what would be the optimal design by looking at texts and parsing the most used letter and combos, etc.

Colemak repeated the exercise many decades later using raw computer power and parsing millions of lines of text.

Dvorak didn't have a chance. Colemak wins.

Result: even less hand travel than Dvorak. You can see for yourself here.

Also with colemak popular shortcuts such as Ctrl-V and Ctrl-C are the same. This also makes it easier to learn than dvorak.

Dvorak is obsolete after the arrival or colemak. If you already use dvorak, the difference is not as big as the difference the step from qwerty is, so you might as well keep typing in dvorak, considering the learning curve. If you are switching from qwerty, there is no reason to pick dvorak any longer, go for colemak. It's very popular in the tiny circle of people who switch layouts.
I actually have not even remotely started on Dvorak, therefore I might as well do a straight leap to Colemak. Thank you so much for your insight, you gave me hilariously useful info.

And by the way, I already used the Java applet, calling the improvement from QWERTY to Colemak dramatic would probably be an understatement.
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Hey I switched to Dvorak about 3 months ago. I started with my laptop keyboard, my tablet pc has an onscreen so that was easy too. But I'm in uni and I have to do programming tests on uni computers once in a while, they obviously use qwerty. On my galaxy S I found a free app with dvorak/colemak keyboards, but on my G1 I have to use qwerty (its a hardware keyboard). So unless you can have your own device or at least your own keyboard, there will be complications. You won't completely forget qwerty though.

The period of typing really slow lasts about 2 weeks or so. After a month, I typed at the same speed as I used to on qwerty. The only reason I dont do 100wpm yet is because I intermittently HAVE to use qwerty.

Since you are switching to colemak not dvorak, the issue of keyboard shortcuts is obsolete, but just to put it out there; you can use ctrl+c, v, and z with one hand, but its your right, not left as on qwerty. Takes time getting used to but its not that terrible.

In gaming you may have to remap some games' key assignments (btw playing qwop sucks on dvorak!) but some games still think you're using qwerty, so you'll continue pressing the same button, just that its labelled differently (i.e. in the same position but different character).

Also if you do lots of non-OS based programming, those languages mostly expect qwerty so you'll have to take that into account.

Hope this helped a bit.
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