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Edit: I do disagree with you Alex on one point. AMDs ace in the hole is the gaming community. Affordable, quality gaming components is AMDs "flush" over aces so to speak. But piss off the gaming community with underachieving, overpriced GPUs and, well, you get the point.
I dont think its even the gaming community any more, for $225 you can get a i5 2500K that will smack around any thuban in game performance. The high end boards are still overpriced in my eyes but thats about the only disadvantage.
 
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post #22 of 65
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Originally Posted by xxbassplayerxx View Post
Do those perform similarly? Not at all...
Yet the 300mm wafer on which they're both produced costs the same.
Edited by The-Beast - 1/13/11 at 6:24pm
post #23 of 65
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Originally Posted by The-Beast View Post
Yet the 300mm wafer costs the same.
Well good job to AMD then for making the same size die more powerful...

When you buy something, you're paying for more than materials.

There's this small, inexpensive process called Engineering. I don't see why they charge us for it at all
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post #24 of 65
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Originally Posted by xxbassplayerxx View Post
Well good job to AMD then for making the same size die more powerful...
Designing better chips than your competitor is not a long term growth strategy.
post #25 of 65
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Originally Posted by The-Beast View Post
How does AMD undercut Nvidia by selling the same size chip for 150 more?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127554
MSI Radeon 6970 370$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-518-_-Product
MSI 460 GTX 209$
You fail on so many levels right here
post #26 of 65
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How does AMD undercut Nvidia by selling the same size chip for 150 more?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127554
MSI Radeon 6970 370$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-518-_-Product
MSI 460 GTX 209$
How?

AMD offers GTX470 performance in a package much, MUCH smaller in the 6870. This allows them to sell more chips per wafer, and in turn reduces cost per chip.

If you want to compare HD6970 to GTX460, you might as well compare an 18-wheeler to a tank in terms of fuel consumption.
    
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post #27 of 65
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Edit: I do disagree with you Alex on one point. AMDs ace in the hole is the gaming community. Affordable, quality gaming components is AMDs "flush" over aces so to speak. But piss off the gaming community with underachieving, overpriced GPUs and, well, you get the point.
Perhaps, but that is not a corporate strategy.

I equate many things in the tech industry to the automotive industry.... sports cars are nice and everyone wants one, but when it comes down to it the bulk of the market (and where the volume and revenue is) is driven by those willing to spend money on computing technologies that make sense to them.

That's why you see so many minivans and mid-size sedans as the bread and butter of car companies, and that's why you see such a focus on mobile platforms and computing trends that allow consumers to do more with less time (and being highly mobile).

These products make sense in the grand scheme of things... high-end gaming/computing stuff is nice but it's really just low volume high margin, and unlikely to do anything other than being really useful for marketing to work with.
    
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post #28 of 65
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Designing better chips than your competitor is not a long term growth strategy.
Really... hhmmm, I'm so

So Intel got where they are by designing worse chips then Cyrix, AMD, VIA, IBM, and all other old and new chip makers?
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post #29 of 65
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Frankly AMD has no true "ace in hole" product that can promote long term growth and profit. That is the inherent problem.
Here's to hoping Bulldozer changes that.
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That doesn't make any sence (sp?). The size of the chip won't make the price that much more, it's the complexity of the chip and the performance.
You're sort of incorrect. The primary cost in production IS the chip. The AMD and Nvidia offerings are practically identical in complexity ( nm & cache ) so in THIS case, the bigger the chip, the more it costs to make.

Now of course, a current gen processor/gpu is going to cost much more to make than one from 5 yrs ago, but that wasn't the point the other guy was making.
Edited by FuNkDrSpOt - 1/13/11 at 6:58pm
    
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